[Fmpro] experience vs pay ?

[Phil Kelly]

On Oct 3, 2006, at 5:00 AM, fmpro-request at nxport.com wrote:

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> On Oct 1, 2006, at 12:19 PM, Phil Kelly wrote:
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>> The statement below is the most unprofessional remark I've ever read 
>> on
>> this BBS >>
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> so u pay someone w/ 3 yrs exp same as someone w/ 30 ? MY WORDS Les   I 
>  am
> not  ' someone from uk '....u KNOW it is ME !!! If u have learnt 
> NOTHING in 40
> years then that is PATHETIC
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>

Union or non union, I most likely would NOT be hiring anyone with three 
years experience at anything.
I've been a member of the AFM for close to 50 yrs and I have done dates 
both union and "dark "
( off contract ) when necessary. So do the vast majority of the  AFM 
players I've had the pleasure of working with.

However, the On Contract dates greatly out number the dark ones ,and 
using a legal triple dip for myself ( leader. Arranger, orchestrator) 
have accrued a lot of re-use and pension fund payments that have made 
my "retirement" years a bit more comfortable.

My point is this:  If you aspire to eventually "play with the big boys" 
someday, you'd better get used to dealing with union musicians and the 
AFM.
AS Les mentioned, in LA ( local 47 ) things are run a bit better ( same 
thing in Nashville ).

I just completed a big band CD in LA LEGALLY on a limited pressing 
agreement ..and it cost me roughly $55 p/h per man .
I was quite pleased how well this accomodated my budget for the project.

Phil Kelly
www.philkellymusic.com







Phil Kelly
www.philkellymusic.com