[Fmpro] CBS Sunday Morning

Les Hurdle leshurdle101 at sbcglobal.net
Mon Oct 16 15:08:55 GMT 2006 

Hi James,

Given that at least one ASCAP Board member allegedly did not understand 
the ramifications of downloads........ how on earth can rank & file PRO 
members have any faith in representation.

Bear in mind PHO is part owned by a Publisher.. and publishers [as per 
the statement on Sunday Morning] have licensed Google/YOUTUBE........ 
so game over.

Why is this only being discussed in depth on PHO......... maybe I 
should try to join again ;-).. I doubt they'll let me !!.........  why 
isn't there a report on proceedings from ASCAP/BMI/SESAC/PRS etc?

You say You underestimate these organizations pressing need to be 
compensated
> for anything and everything. <

So, what have they done?

You also say >You're questions are good ones, but presented to the 
wrong people as far as
> getting anything done in this area.

Who does one ask?

Les

On Oct 16, 2006, at 7:47 AM, James Ryan wrote:

> Les,
> You're questions are good ones, but presented to the wrong people as 
> far as
> getting anything done in this area.  I don't mean to be negative, but 
> time
> and experience (at least in my experience) has proven that composers 
> are not
> exactly a motivated or formidable lobby.  On the other hand, everyone 
> stands
> to lose, the publishers, the writers, the musicians and the artists if 
> this
> area is overlooked, and I assure you it is not being overlooked.  The 
> Pho is
> all abuzz about this exact subject.  There are constant discussions
> regarding suing Google, YouTube, et al for copyright and artist
> infringement.  Sound Exchange may get involved as well, not to mention 
> the
> PROs.  You underestimate these organizations pressing need to be 
> compensated
> for anything and everything.  Stay tuned.
>
> J
>
>
> On 10/16/06 10:38 AM, "Les Hurdle" <leshurdle101 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> But how is he or George to be paid?
>>
>> LH
>>
>>
>> On Oct 16, 2006, at 7:25 AM, James Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> This guy is huge in Hawaii.  I was there this summer, and asked a 
>>> music
>>> store about who the hot artists were.  This was the name that came 
>>> up.
>>>  He
>>> was touring (I believe) with Bella Fleck at the time.  Totally 
>>> amazing
>>> player.
>>>
>>> As for Uke coming back, it never left in Hawaii.  In the music 
>>> stores,
>>> you
>>> see Strats, Gibsons, a few basses, and WALLS of every imaginable kind
>>> of
>>> uke.  Pretty funny.
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/16/06 3:45 AM, "Pete" <musical411 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Check out...
>>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9mEKMz2Pvo
>>>>
>>>> Somehow, I feel the world is a better place having
>>>> this video than not having it. It's just a shame with
>>>> all his talent he hasn't made enough money to buy a
>>>> bigger guitar by now.
>>>>
>>>> That's not to say that we shouldn't be compensated for
>>>> our creative contributions to a successful business
>>>> model.
>>>>
>>>> P e t e
>>>> S u r d o v a l
>>>>
>>>> --- Mark Northam <mark at gmdgroup.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If YouTube is considered streaming, ASCAP/BMI/SESAC
>>>>> should be screaming
>>>>> about it. Instead, silence. Let the publishers and
>>>>> the labels make the
>>>>> deals, I suppose, is the thinking.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why aren't the PRO's way out in front of this stuff?
>>>>>  Why aren't we seeing
>>>>> news stories about how the PROs are protecting their
>>>>> members and demanding
>>>>> that all these streaming services either pay a
>>>>> download or face lawsuits?
>>>>> Instead, we hear about some minor nightclub owner
>>>>> facing the wrath of ASCAP
>>>>> over a few Bob Marley song and watch ASCAP spend
>>>>> what must be 100s of
>>>>> thousands of dollars to prove that music with live
>>>>> vocals (Peter Myers') is
>>>>> not actually a vocal performance. One must wonder
>>>>> who is setting the
>>>>> priorities down at ASCAP, and that falls directly on
>>>>> the shoulders of Senior
>>>>> Mgmt and the Board of Directors.
>>>>>
>>>>> Compared to the losses to writers from
>>>>> downloads/streaming, no performance
>>>>> royalties for movie theatres, the nightclub stuff is
>>>>> truly insignificant.
>>>>>
>>>>> My guess: the publishers run the PROs, and if the
>>>>> publishers want to make a
>>>>> special deal, they'll make sure the PROs remain
>>>>> waiting in the wings. If a
>>>>> cause doesn't serve the interests of the publishers,
>>>>> the PROs sit on their
>>>>> hands. Amazing. Only underscores the need for NEW
>>>>> board members at ASCAP to
>>>>> start doing something other than the publishers'
>>>>> bidding.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark Northam
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/15/06 3:02 PM, "Les Hurdle"
>>>>> <leshurdle101 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't know how many of you good folk get up early
>>>>> on a Sunday morning,
>>>>>> but for me the prog.  'Sunday Morning' today was
>>>>> of interest.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, Google buys YOUTUBE for about $1.6B.
>>>>>> Glossed over was the fact CBS, Sony, BMG have
>>>>> worked out licensing
>>>>>> deals with 'YOUTUBE".. why only mention those
>>>>> three???
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Seriously, how will you be paid for the movie clip
>>>>> or tv show with your
>>>>>> music in it, how about the song?
>>>>>> Is YOUTUBE a broadcast, a stream, a download, a
>>>>> hybrid right..........
>>>>>> something new?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How will that expensive Watermark, Mediaguide,
>>>>> Shazam process work for
>>>>>> you [snigger]?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just suppose YOUTUBE is to be the way of the
>>>>> future, allegedly one of
>>>>>> the vids has been downloaded [they used the D
>>>>> word] 30 million times,
>>>>>> hmmmmm they know this, does you PRO know, your
>>>>> publisher?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who will tell CBS et al the music they licensed
>>>>> was yours?????
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How will CBS et al know who to pay out of the
>>>>> license money they
>>>>>> receive?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How about in your neck of the woods, not just the
>>>>> USA?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am I getting this all wrong, as some political
>>>>> folk on this list
>>>>>> accused me of 10 years ago re downloads and
>>>>> publishers who cream off
>>>>>> the mechanical royalty..............  watch out
>>>>> for those rosy WFH
>>>>>> deals !!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> LesH
>>>>
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