[Fmpro] CBS Sunday Morning

James Ryan jeryan at optonline.net
Mon Oct 16 15:11:42 GMT 2006 

I'd start with Doug Wood.


On 10/16/06 11:08 AM, "Les Hurdle" <leshurdle101 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Hi James,
> 
> Given that at least one ASCAP Board member allegedly did not understand
> the ramifications of downloads........ how on earth can rank & file PRO
> members have any faith in representation.
> 
> Bear in mind PHO is part owned by a Publisher.. and publishers [as per
> the statement on Sunday Morning] have licensed Google/YOUTUBE........
> so game over.
> 
> Why is this only being discussed in depth on PHO......... maybe I
> should try to join again ;-).. I doubt they'll let me !!.........  why
> isn't there a report on proceedings from ASCAP/BMI/SESAC/PRS etc?
> 
> You say You underestimate these organizations pressing need to be
> compensated
>> for anything and everything. <
> 
> So, what have they done?
> 
> You also say >You're questions are good ones, but presented to the
> wrong people as far as
>> getting anything done in this area.
> 
> Who does one ask?
> 
> Les
> 
> On Oct 16, 2006, at 7:47 AM, James Ryan wrote:
> 
>> Les,
>> You're questions are good ones, but presented to the wrong people as
>> far as
>> getting anything done in this area.  I don't mean to be negative, but
>> time
>> and experience (at least in my experience) has proven that composers
>> are not
>> exactly a motivated or formidable lobby.  On the other hand, everyone
>> stands
>> to lose, the publishers, the writers, the musicians and the artists if
>> this
>> area is overlooked, and I assure you it is not being overlooked.  The
>> Pho is
>> all abuzz about this exact subject.  There are constant discussions
>> regarding suing Google, YouTube, et al for copyright and artist
>> infringement.  Sound Exchange may get involved as well, not to mention
>> the
>> PROs.  You underestimate these organizations pressing need to be
>> compensated
>> for anything and everything.  Stay tuned.
>> 
>> J
>> 
>> 
>> On 10/16/06 10:38 AM, "Les Hurdle" <leshurdle101 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> But how is he or George to be paid?
>>> 
>>> LH
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 16, 2006, at 7:25 AM, James Ryan wrote:
>>> 
>>>> This guy is huge in Hawaii.  I was there this summer, and asked a
>>>> music
>>>> store about who the hot artists were.  This was the name that came
>>>> up.
>>>>  He
>>>> was touring (I believe) with Bella Fleck at the time.  Totally
>>>> amazing
>>>> player.
>>>> 
>>>> As for Uke coming back, it never left in Hawaii.  In the music
>>>> stores,
>>>> you
>>>> see Strats, Gibsons, a few basses, and WALLS of every imaginable kind
>>>> of
>>>> uke.  Pretty funny.
>>>> 
>>>> James
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 10/16/06 3:45 AM, "Pete" <musical411 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Check out...
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9mEKMz2Pvo
>>>>> 
>>>>> Somehow, I feel the world is a better place having
>>>>> this video than not having it. It's just a shame with
>>>>> all his talent he hasn't made enough money to buy a
>>>>> bigger guitar by now.
>>>>> 
>>>>> That's not to say that we shouldn't be compensated for
>>>>> our creative contributions to a successful business
>>>>> model.
>>>>> 
>>>>> P e t e
>>>>> S u r d o v a l
>>>>> 
>>>>> --- Mark Northam <mark at gmdgroup.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> If YouTube is considered streaming, ASCAP/BMI/SESAC
>>>>>> should be screaming
>>>>>> about it. Instead, silence. Let the publishers and
>>>>>> the labels make the
>>>>>> deals, I suppose, is the thinking.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Why aren't the PRO's way out in front of this stuff?
>>>>>>  Why aren't we seeing
>>>>>> news stories about how the PROs are protecting their
>>>>>> members and demanding
>>>>>> that all these streaming services either pay a
>>>>>> download or face lawsuits?
>>>>>> Instead, we hear about some minor nightclub owner
>>>>>> facing the wrath of ASCAP
>>>>>> over a few Bob Marley song and watch ASCAP spend
>>>>>> what must be 100s of
>>>>>> thousands of dollars to prove that music with live
>>>>>> vocals (Peter Myers') is
>>>>>> not actually a vocal performance. One must wonder
>>>>>> who is setting the
>>>>>> priorities down at ASCAP, and that falls directly on
>>>>>> the shoulders of Senior
>>>>>> Mgmt and the Board of Directors.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Compared to the losses to writers from
>>>>>> downloads/streaming, no performance
>>>>>> royalties for movie theatres, the nightclub stuff is
>>>>>> truly insignificant.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> My guess: the publishers run the PROs, and if the
>>>>>> publishers want to make a
>>>>>> special deal, they'll make sure the PROs remain
>>>>>> waiting in the wings. If a
>>>>>> cause doesn't serve the interests of the publishers,
>>>>>> the PROs sit on their
>>>>>> hands. Amazing. Only underscores the need for NEW
>>>>>> board members at ASCAP to
>>>>>> start doing something other than the publishers'
>>>>>> bidding.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mark Northam
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 10/15/06 3:02 PM, "Les Hurdle"
>>>>>> <leshurdle101 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Don't know how many of you good folk get up early
>>>>>> on a Sunday morning,
>>>>>>> but for me the prog.  'Sunday Morning' today was
>>>>>> of interest.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> So, Google buys YOUTUBE for about $1.6B.
>>>>>>> Glossed over was the fact CBS, Sony, BMG have
>>>>>> worked out licensing
>>>>>>> deals with 'YOUTUBE".. why only mention those
>>>>>> three???
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Seriously, how will you be paid for the movie clip
>>>>>> or tv show with your
>>>>>>> music in it, how about the song?
>>>>>>> Is YOUTUBE a broadcast, a stream, a download, a
>>>>>> hybrid right..........
>>>>>>> something new?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> How will that expensive Watermark, Mediaguide,
>>>>>> Shazam process work for
>>>>>>> you [snigger]?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Just suppose YOUTUBE is to be the way of the
>>>>>> future, allegedly one of
>>>>>>> the vids has been downloaded [they used the D
>>>>>> word] 30 million times,
>>>>>>> hmmmmm they know this, does you PRO know, your
>>>>>> publisher?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Who will tell CBS et al the music they licensed
>>>>>> was yours?????
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> How will CBS et al know who to pay out of the
>>>>>> license money they
>>>>>>> receive?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> How about in your neck of the woods, not just the
>>>>>> USA?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I am I getting this all wrong, as some political
>>>>>> folk on this list
>>>>>>> accused me of 10 years ago re downloads and
>>>>>> publishers who cream off
>>>>>>> the mechanical royalty..............  watch out
>>>>>> for those rosy WFH
>>>>>>> deals !!!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> LesH
>>>>> 
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