[Fmpro] CBS Sunday Morning

[Pete]

Would this be a vocal performance?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cU90T4iSpK8

P e t e
S u r d o v a l

--- Les Hurdle <leshurdle101 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Hi James,
> 
> Given that at least one ASCAP Board member allegedly
> did not understand 
> the ramifications of downloads........ how on earth
> can rank & file PRO 
> members have any faith in representation.
> 
> Bear in mind PHO is part owned by a Publisher.. and
> publishers [as per 
> the statement on Sunday Morning] have licensed
> Google/YOUTUBE........ 
> so game over.
> 
> Why is this only being discussed in depth on
> PHO......... maybe I 
> should try to join again ;-).. I doubt they'll let
> me !!.........  why 
> isn't there a report on proceedings from
> ASCAP/BMI/SESAC/PRS etc?
> 
> You say You underestimate these organizations
> pressing need to be 
> compensated
> > for anything and everything. <
> 
> So, what have they done?
> 
> You also say >You're questions are good ones, but
> presented to the 
> wrong people as far as
> > getting anything done in this area.
> 
> Who does one ask?
> 
> Les
> 
> On Oct 16, 2006, at 7:47 AM, James Ryan wrote:
> 
> > Les,
> > You're questions are good ones, but presented to
> the wrong people as 
> > far as
> > getting anything done in this area.  I don't mean
> to be negative, but 
> > time
> > and experience (at least in my experience) has
> proven that composers 
> > are not
> > exactly a motivated or formidable lobby.  On the
> other hand, everyone 
> > stands
> > to lose, the publishers, the writers, the
> musicians and the artists if 
> > this
> > area is overlooked, and I assure you it is not
> being overlooked.  The 
> > Pho is
> > all abuzz about this exact subject.  There are
> constant discussions
> > regarding suing Google, YouTube, et al for
> copyright and artist
> > infringement.  Sound Exchange may get involved as
> well, not to mention 
> > the
> > PROs.  You underestimate these organizations
> pressing need to be 
> > compensated
> > for anything and everything.  Stay tuned.
> >
> > J
> >
> >
> > On 10/16/06 10:38 AM, "Les Hurdle"
> <leshurdle101 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >
> >> But how is he or George to be paid?
> >>
> >> LH
> >>
> >>
> >> On Oct 16, 2006, at 7:25 AM, James Ryan wrote:
> >>
> >>> This guy is huge in Hawaii.  I was there this
> summer, and asked a 
> >>> music
> >>> store about who the hot artists were.  This was
> the name that came 
> >>> up.
> >>>  He
> >>> was touring (I believe) with Bella Fleck at the
> time.  Totally 
> >>> amazing
> >>> player.
> >>>
> >>> As for Uke coming back, it never left in Hawaii.
>  In the music 
> >>> stores,
> >>> you
> >>> see Strats, Gibsons, a few basses, and WALLS of
> every imaginable kind
> >>> of
> >>> uke.  Pretty funny.
> >>>
> >>> James
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 10/16/06 3:45 AM, "Pete"
> <musical411 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Check out...
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9mEKMz2Pvo
> >>>>
> >>>> Somehow, I feel the world is a better place
> having
> >>>> this video than not having it. It's just a
> shame with
> >>>> all his talent he hasn't made enough money to
> buy a
> >>>> bigger guitar by now.
> >>>>
> >>>> That's not to say that we shouldn't be
> compensated for
> >>>> our creative contributions to a successful
> business
> >>>> model.
> >>>>
> >>>> P e t e
> >>>> S u r d o v a l
> >>>>
> >>>> --- Mark Northam <mark at gmdgroup.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> If YouTube is considered streaming,
> ASCAP/BMI/SESAC
> >>>>> should be screaming
> >>>>> about it. Instead, silence. Let the publishers
> and
> >>>>> the labels make the
> >>>>> deals, I suppose, is the thinking.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Why aren't the PRO's way out in front of this
> stuff?
> >>>>>  Why aren't we seeing
> >>>>> news stories about how the PROs are protecting
> their
> >>>>> members and demanding
> >>>>> that all these streaming services either pay a
> >>>>> download or face lawsuits?
> >>>>> Instead, we hear about some minor nightclub
> owner
> >>>>> facing the wrath of ASCAP
> >>>>> over a few Bob Marley song and watch ASCAP
> spend
> >>>>> what must be 100s of
> >>>>> thousands of dollars to prove that music with
> live
> >>>>> vocals (Peter Myers') is
> >>>>> not actually a vocal performance. One must
> wonder
> >>>>> who is setting the
> >>>>> priorities down at ASCAP, and that falls
> directly on
> >>>>> the shoulders of Senior
> >>>>> Mgmt and the Board of Directors.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Compared to the losses to writers from
> >>>>> downloads/streaming, no performance
> >>>>> royalties for movie theatres, the nightclub
> stuff is
> >>>>> truly insignificant.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My guess: the publishers run the PROs, and if
> the
> >>>>> publishers want to make a
> >>>>> special deal, they'll make sure the PROs
> remain
> >>>>> waiting in the wings. If a
> >>>>> cause doesn't serve the interests of the
> publishers,
> >>>>> the PROs sit on their
> >>>>> hands. Amazing. Only underscores the need for
> NEW
> >>>>> board members at ASCAP to
> >>>>> start doing something other than the
> publishers'
> >>>>> bidding.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Best,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Mark Northam
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 10/15/06 3:02 PM, "Les Hurdle"
> >>>>> <leshurdle101 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Don't know how many of you good folk get up
> early
> 
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