[Fmpro] CBS Sunday Morning

Les Hurdle leshurdle101 at sbcglobal.net
Mon Oct 16 15:20:03 GMT 2006 

Doug continues to be quiet about everything unless one is a high 
ranking SCL member......... 'cos they know and do everything !

Waste of time, but one had hopes.

The songwriters will benefit from the new world.

Les

On Oct 16, 2006, at 8:11 AM, James Ryan wrote:

> I'd start with Doug Wood.
>
>
> On 10/16/06 11:08 AM, "Les Hurdle" <leshurdle101 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi James,
>>
>> Given that at least one ASCAP Board member allegedly did not 
>> understand
>> the ramifications of downloads........ how on earth can rank & file 
>> PRO
>> members have any faith in representation.
>>
>> Bear in mind PHO is part owned by a Publisher.. and publishers [as per
>> the statement on Sunday Morning] have licensed Google/YOUTUBE........
>> so game over.
>>
>> Why is this only being discussed in depth on PHO......... maybe I
>> should try to join again ;-).. I doubt they'll let me !!.........  why
>> isn't there a report on proceedings from ASCAP/BMI/SESAC/PRS etc?
>>
>> You say You underestimate these organizations pressing need to be
>> compensated
>>> for anything and everything. <
>>
>> So, what have they done?
>>
>> You also say >You're questions are good ones, but presented to the
>> wrong people as far as
>>> getting anything done in this area.
>>
>> Who does one ask?
>>
>> Les
>>
>> On Oct 16, 2006, at 7:47 AM, James Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> Les,
>>> You're questions are good ones, but presented to the wrong people as
>>> far as
>>> getting anything done in this area.  I don't mean to be negative, but
>>> time
>>> and experience (at least in my experience) has proven that composers
>>> are not
>>> exactly a motivated or formidable lobby.  On the other hand, everyone
>>> stands
>>> to lose, the publishers, the writers, the musicians and the artists 
>>> if
>>> this
>>> area is overlooked, and I assure you it is not being overlooked.  The
>>> Pho is
>>> all abuzz about this exact subject.  There are constant discussions
>>> regarding suing Google, YouTube, et al for copyright and artist
>>> infringement.  Sound Exchange may get involved as well, not to 
>>> mention
>>> the
>>> PROs.  You underestimate these organizations pressing need to be
>>> compensated
>>> for anything and everything.  Stay tuned.
>>>
>>> J
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/16/06 10:38 AM, "Les Hurdle" <leshurdle101 at sbcglobal.net> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> But how is he or George to be paid?
>>>>
>>>> LH
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 16, 2006, at 7:25 AM, James Ryan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This guy is huge in Hawaii.  I was there this summer, and asked a
>>>>> music
>>>>> store about who the hot artists were.  This was the name that came
>>>>> up.
>>>>>  He
>>>>> was touring (I believe) with Bella Fleck at the time.  Totally
>>>>> amazing
>>>>> player.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for Uke coming back, it never left in Hawaii.  In the music
>>>>> stores,
>>>>> you
>>>>> see Strats, Gibsons, a few basses, and WALLS of every imaginable 
>>>>> kind
>>>>> of
>>>>> uke.  Pretty funny.
>>>>>
>>>>> James
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/16/06 3:45 AM, "Pete" <musical411 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Check out...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9mEKMz2Pvo
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Somehow, I feel the world is a better place having
>>>>>> this video than not having it. It's just a shame with
>>>>>> all his talent he hasn't made enough money to buy a
>>>>>> bigger guitar by now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's not to say that we shouldn't be compensated for
>>>>>> our creative contributions to a successful business
>>>>>> model.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> P e t e
>>>>>> S u r d o v a l
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --- Mark Northam <mark at gmdgroup.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If YouTube is considered streaming, ASCAP/BMI/SESAC
>>>>>>> should be screaming
>>>>>>> about it. Instead, silence. Let the publishers and
>>>>>>> the labels make the
>>>>>>> deals, I suppose, is the thinking.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why aren't the PRO's way out in front of this stuff?
>>>>>>>  Why aren't we seeing
>>>>>>> news stories about how the PROs are protecting their
>>>>>>> members and demanding
>>>>>>> that all these streaming services either pay a
>>>>>>> download or face lawsuits?
>>>>>>> Instead, we hear about some minor nightclub owner
>>>>>>> facing the wrath of ASCAP
>>>>>>> over a few Bob Marley song and watch ASCAP spend
>>>>>>> what must be 100s of
>>>>>>> thousands of dollars to prove that music with live
>>>>>>> vocals (Peter Myers') is
>>>>>>> not actually a vocal performance. One must wonder
>>>>>>> who is setting the
>>>>>>> priorities down at ASCAP, and that falls directly on
>>>>>>> the shoulders of Senior
>>>>>>> Mgmt and the Board of Directors.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Compared to the losses to writers from
>>>>>>> downloads/streaming, no performance
>>>>>>> royalties for movie theatres, the nightclub stuff is
>>>>>>> truly insignificant.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My guess: the publishers run the PROs, and if the
>>>>>>> publishers want to make a
>>>>>>> special deal, they'll make sure the PROs remain
>>>>>>> waiting in the wings. If a
>>>>>>> cause doesn't serve the interests of the publishers,
>>>>>>> the PROs sit on their
>>>>>>> hands. Amazing. Only underscores the need for NEW
>>>>>>> board members at ASCAP to
>>>>>>> start doing something other than the publishers'
>>>>>>> bidding.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mark Northam
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10/15/06 3:02 PM, "Les Hurdle"
>>>>>>> <leshurdle101 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Don't know how many of you good folk get up early
>>>>>>> on a Sunday morning,
>>>>>>>> but for me the prog.  'Sunday Morning' today was
>>>>>>> of interest.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, Google buys YOUTUBE for about $1.6B.
>>>>>>>> Glossed over was the fact CBS, Sony, BMG have
>>>>>>> worked out licensing
>>>>>>>> deals with 'YOUTUBE".. why only mention those
>>>>>>> three???
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Seriously, how will you be paid for the movie clip
>>>>>>> or tv show with your
>>>>>>>> music in it, how about the song?
>>>>>>>> Is YOUTUBE a broadcast, a stream, a download, a
>>>>>>> hybrid right..........
>>>>>>>> something new?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How will that expensive Watermark, Mediaguide,
>>>>>>> Shazam process work for
>>>>>>>> you [snigger]?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just suppose YOUTUBE is to be the way of the
>>>>>>> future, allegedly one of
>>>>>>>> the vids has been downloaded [they used the D
>>>>>>> word] 30 million times,
>>>>>>>> hmmmmm they know this, does you PRO know, your
>>>>>>> publisher?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Who will tell CBS et al the music they licensed
>>>>>>> was yours?????
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How will CBS et al know who to pay out of the
>>>>>>> license money they
>>>>>>>> receive?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How about in your neck of the woods, not just the
>>>>>>> USA?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am I getting this all wrong, as some political
>>>>>>> folk on this list
>>>>>>>> accused me of 10 years ago re downloads and
>>>>>>> publishers who cream off
>>>>>>>> the mechanical royalty..............  watch out
>>>>>>> for those rosy WFH
>>>>>>>> deals !!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> LesH
>>>>>>
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