[Fmpro] CBS Sunday Morning

[Les Hurdle]

It's a mime is it not?

LesH


On Oct 16, 2006, at 8:18 AM, Pete wrote:

> Would this be a vocal performance?
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cU90T4iSpK8
>
> P e t e
> S u r d o v a l
>
> --- Les Hurdle <leshurdle101 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi James,
>>
>> Given that at least one ASCAP Board member allegedly
>> did not understand
>> the ramifications of downloads........ how on earth
>> can rank & file PRO
>> members have any faith in representation.
>>
>> Bear in mind PHO is part owned by a Publisher.. and
>> publishers [as per
>> the statement on Sunday Morning] have licensed
>> Google/YOUTUBE........
>> so game over.
>>
>> Why is this only being discussed in depth on
>> PHO......... maybe I
>> should try to join again ;-).. I doubt they'll let
>> me !!.........  why
>> isn't there a report on proceedings from
>> ASCAP/BMI/SESAC/PRS etc?
>>
>> You say You underestimate these organizations
>> pressing need to be
>> compensated
>>> for anything and everything. <
>>
>> So, what have they done?
>>
>> You also say >You're questions are good ones, but
>> presented to the
>> wrong people as far as
>>> getting anything done in this area.
>>
>> Who does one ask?
>>
>> Les
>>
>> On Oct 16, 2006, at 7:47 AM, James Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> Les,
>>> You're questions are good ones, but presented to
>> the wrong people as
>>> far as
>>> getting anything done in this area.  I don't mean
>> to be negative, but
>>> time
>>> and experience (at least in my experience) has
>> proven that composers
>>> are not
>>> exactly a motivated or formidable lobby.  On the
>> other hand, everyone
>>> stands
>>> to lose, the publishers, the writers, the
>> musicians and the artists if
>>> this
>>> area is overlooked, and I assure you it is not
>> being overlooked.  The
>>> Pho is
>>> all abuzz about this exact subject.  There are
>> constant discussions
>>> regarding suing Google, YouTube, et al for
>> copyright and artist
>>> infringement.  Sound Exchange may get involved as
>> well, not to mention
>>> the
>>> PROs.  You underestimate these organizations
>> pressing need to be
>>> compensated
>>> for anything and everything.  Stay tuned.
>>>
>>> J
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/16/06 10:38 AM, "Les Hurdle"
>> <leshurdle101 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> But how is he or George to be paid?
>>>>
>>>> LH
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 16, 2006, at 7:25 AM, James Ryan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This guy is huge in Hawaii.  I was there this
>> summer, and asked a
>>>>> music
>>>>> store about who the hot artists were.  This was
>> the name that came
>>>>> up.
>>>>>  He
>>>>> was touring (I believe) with Bella Fleck at the
>> time.  Totally
>>>>> amazing
>>>>> player.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for Uke coming back, it never left in Hawaii.
>>  In the music
>>>>> stores,
>>>>> you
>>>>> see Strats, Gibsons, a few basses, and WALLS of
>> every imaginable kind
>>>>> of
>>>>> uke.  Pretty funny.
>>>>>
>>>>> James
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/16/06 3:45 AM, "Pete"
>> <musical411 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Check out...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9mEKMz2Pvo
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Somehow, I feel the world is a better place
>> having
>>>>>> this video than not having it. It's just a
>> shame with
>>>>>> all his talent he hasn't made enough money to
>> buy a
>>>>>> bigger guitar by now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's not to say that we shouldn't be
>> compensated for
>>>>>> our creative contributions to a successful
>> business
>>>>>> model.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> P e t e
>>>>>> S u r d o v a l
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --- Mark Northam <mark at gmdgroup.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If YouTube is considered streaming,
>> ASCAP/BMI/SESAC
>>>>>>> should be screaming
>>>>>>> about it. Instead, silence. Let the publishers
>> and
>>>>>>> the labels make the
>>>>>>> deals, I suppose, is the thinking.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why aren't the PRO's way out in front of this
>> stuff?
>>>>>>>  Why aren't we seeing
>>>>>>> news stories about how the PROs are protecting
>> their
>>>>>>> members and demanding
>>>>>>> that all these streaming services either pay a
>>>>>>> download or face lawsuits?
>>>>>>> Instead, we hear about some minor nightclub
>> owner
>>>>>>> facing the wrath of ASCAP
>>>>>>> over a few Bob Marley song and watch ASCAP
>> spend
>>>>>>> what must be 100s of
>>>>>>> thousands of dollars to prove that music with
>> live
>>>>>>> vocals (Peter Myers') is
>>>>>>> not actually a vocal performance. One must
>> wonder
>>>>>>> who is setting the
>>>>>>> priorities down at ASCAP, and that falls
>> directly on
>>>>>>> the shoulders of Senior
>>>>>>> Mgmt and the Board of Directors.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Compared to the losses to writers from
>>>>>>> downloads/streaming, no performance
>>>>>>> royalties for movie theatres, the nightclub
>> stuff is
>>>>>>> truly insignificant.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My guess: the publishers run the PROs, and if
>> the
>>>>>>> publishers want to make a
>>>>>>> special deal, they'll make sure the PROs
>> remain
>>>>>>> waiting in the wings. If a
>>>>>>> cause doesn't serve the interests of the
>> publishers,
>>>>>>> the PROs sit on their
>>>>>>> hands. Amazing. Only underscores the need for
>> NEW
>>>>>>> board members at ASCAP to
>>>>>>> start doing something other than the
>> publishers'
>>>>>>> bidding.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mark Northam
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10/15/06 3:02 PM, "Les Hurdle"
>>>>>>> <leshurdle101 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Don't know how many of you good folk get up
>> early
>>
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