[Fmpro] Any Experience with Pump Audio?
johnd10557
johnd10557 at earthlink.net
Tue Jan 23 13:32:23 GMT 2007
Has anybody had any experience working with the folks at Pump Audio? You submit a cd of your cues, pay no membership fees. If they like your stuff, it get's placed in their library, I believe the deal is 50/50 and is fully non-exclusive(you retain both composer and publishing rights). Anyway, just wondered if anybody actually makes any money thru these people or if it's worth the trouble to submit to them?
John Doryk
film composer/sound designer
Night Sky Music & Sound Design
www.johndoryk.com
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>Today's Topics:
>
> 1. isn't the PRO thing basically this? (Todd Burns)
> 2. Re: isn't the PRO thing basically this? (Mark Northam)
> 3. New FM Network submission changes (JJB)
> 4. Re: New FM Network submission changes (Mark Northam)
> 5. Re: the copyrighting process (Jim Chase)
> 6. Jack Smalley's book (Steve Schow)
> 7. Re: New FM Network submission changes (Pete)
> 8. Taxidermy (JJB)
> 9. Re: Taxidermy (Pete)
> 10. Re: New FM Network submission changes (JJB)
> 11. Potatoes (JJB)
> 12. Re: New FM Network submission changes (Mark Northam)
> 13. Re: Taxidermy (Mark Northam)
> 14. Re: Potatoes (Pete)
> 15. Re: How TAXI Works (Chris Alpiar)
> 16. Re: How TAXI Works (Mark Northam)
> 17. Re: Taxidermy (JJB)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 10:14:26 -0800
>From: Todd Burns <tzilla at pacbell.net>
>Subject: [Fmpro] isn't the PRO thing basically this?
>To: fmpro at nxport.com
>Message-ID: <0667E5D5-EF52-4367-9491-F01C81C3E100 at pacbell.net>
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>If everyone got paid for every bit of music that aired, wouldn't the
>amount be so staggeringly different from current numbers that every
>writer's piece of the pie would shrink considerably (or some other
>massive shake-up to the status quo) that nobody in charge wants to go
>there? Is that it? The current licensing fees from the networks
>probably could not support it. Thoughts? If I've repeated someone
>else's thought, forgive me.
>
>Todd
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 2
>Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:20:28 -0800
>From: Mark Northam <mark at gmdgroup.com>
>Subject: Re: [Fmpro] isn't the PRO thing basically this?
>To: <fmpro at nxport.com>
>Message-ID: <C1DA406C.28FAC%mark at gmdgroup.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
>That's a big part of it, Todd.
>
>Some contributing factors:
>
>1. The PROs have been notoriously reluctant to adopt technology that would
>identify large amounts of currently unidentified performances, probably
>because paying all those newly identified performances would dilute the
>checks of the current high-earning members.
>
>2. The current licensing fee paid by networks/broadcasters/etc is a license
>to perform ALL the music they broadcast. Problem is, only a portion of that
>music is tracked and the writers/publishers paid. The problem is the
>untracked portion of music that's broadcast, licensed, a fee paid for as
>part of the blanket license fee paid to the PROs, but the PROs choose not to
>pay the writers/publishers with excuses like "it didn't make the survey"
>etc. If you think about it, the "survey" is simply a way to keep the fat
>cats' checks high without diluting them by paying everybody whose music was
>actually licensed and broadcast. The fact that the technology exists to
>track far more music than is currently tracked an paid is undisputed. It's
>the political will of the PROs to actually DO THEIR JOB and go out and track
>as much music as is technologically/economically feasible that's the issue.
>
>3. So they can sleep at night, I suppose, the PROs have assigned
>artificially small values to music for commercials, ads and promos. This
>helps them justify their position of not spending much time/effort/money to
>track this music. In fact, it's the least-tracked music on television, but
>represents over 50% of the minutes of music on television by one survey.
>
>4. This is about politics, nothing else. Those getting fat checks now want
>to keep their fat checks coming in, and they could care less about those
>members who are getting NOTHING for their untracked performances. Greed has
>run amok at the PROs, and has resulted in massive amounts of untracked,
>unpaid performances whose writers and publishers have been denied their
>share of the blanket license fees paid by the broadcasters due to the
>political choices made by the PROs to only pay "some" of the music on the
>air, while actually licensing and being paid for ALL of the music on the air
>by the broadcasters.
>
>Best,
>
>Mark Northam
>
>On 1/19/07 10:14 AM, "Todd Burns" <tzilla at pacbell.net> wrote:
>
>> If everyone got paid for every bit of music that aired, wouldn't the
>> amount be so staggeringly different from current numbers that every
>> writer's piece of the pie would shrink considerably (or some other
>> massive shake-up to the status quo) that nobody in charge wants to go
>> there? Is that it? The current licensing fees from the networks
>> probably could not support it. Thoughts? If I've repeated someone
>> else's thought, forgive me.
>>
>> Todd
>
>---------------------------------
>Mark Northam - Publisher
>Film Music Magazine
>The Professional Voice of Music for Film & TV
>http://www.filmmusicmag.com
>1-800-774-3700 x702 / (310) 645-9000 x702
>
>
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>
>Message: 3
>Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:07:49 -0800
>From: JJB <onephatcat at earthlink.net>
>Subject: [Fmpro] New FM Network submission changes
>To: fmpro at nxport.com
>Message-ID: <8C159BAF-B815-4FE2-9206-E9CD0898F61D at earthlink.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
>
>Hi Mark,
>
>As a paying subscriber to FMN Jobwire for several years, I appreciate
>the new ability to submit electronically through your system, only
>because it creates at least the illusion of more certainty that
>someone will be on the other end listening.
>
>However, I have to question the pricing structure. First of all, I
>pay about $168 per year already to be able to submit to FM Jobwire.
>Now I have to pay an additional $2 per piece of music that I submit
>per job I submit to, on top of that $168 I pay per year. Frankly, I
>think that is wrong. If all the new jobs are going to be using this
>new system, then my subscription to FM Jobwire only gives me a
>discount in submitting, and nothing more.
>
>What I think would make more sense, if you have to have a system in
>place (After all, most of us have our own websites with our music on
>it already, we don't really need a submission system to pay extra
>for) is that there be a flat fee per year where you can have x number
>of .mp3 files stored, and submit to any job wire jobs for free, or
>something along those lines. It needs to be clear cut and simple.
>I thought I would try out your system, just to see what happens, but
>frankly, I think it is way overpriced, unless there is some hidden
>benefit you have not told us about. I think I may cancel my FMN
>subscription.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Joel
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 4
>Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:37:56 -0800
>From: Mark Northam <mark at gmdgroup.com>
>Subject: Re: [Fmpro] New FM Network submission changes
>To: <fmpro at nxport.com>
>Message-ID: <C1DA8AD4.2915B%mark at gmdgroup.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
>Hi Joel -
>
>Thanks for sharing your feedback. I'll respond briefly on the list here so
>as not to overly burden the list with the details.
>
>First, our new SubmitDIRECT program is optional - we offer it to job posters
>to use if they choose to for online submissions. The key benefit of
>SubmitDIRECT is the ease at with both submitters can upload their music, and
>reviewers can review and make contact with submitters - far easier than FTP
>especially for filmmakers and music supervisors, many of whom would never
>use an FTP program. Some job posters may use the system, some may not and
>will request CDs in the mail - it's completely up to them.
>
>We've also tried to price our electronic submission service far below
>others, like TAXI, which has a $5/track submission charge and an additional
>membership necessary for electronic submissions, which first have to go
>through an anonymous screener before they make it (or not) to the hiring
>music supervisor, filmmaker, etc.
>
>Furthermore, you'll get an email automatically when the reviewer listens to
>your music - that's something no other online submission system I know of
>offers.
>
>We've been building the SubmitDIRECT technology for many months now after
>numerous requests from our job posters for an online submission system to
>relieve the problems of funky FTP issues, email boxes overfilled with MP3
>files, and slow snail-mail delivery. While our system isn't perfect, we're
>working to make it as good as it can be. I appreciate your feedback.
>
>Best,
>
>Mark Northam
>
>P.S. You can also reduce your FMN Web Membership to only $139/year by
>choosing an annual membership, which also gives you 3 months free - you can
>get details at http://www.filmmusic.net. We're also bundling in some new
>benefits for annual members you'll be hearing about shortly.
>
>
>On 1/22/07 3:07 PM, "JJB" <onephatcat at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi Mark,
>>
>> As a paying subscriber to FMN Jobwire for several years, I appreciate
>> the new ability to submit electronically through your system, only
>> because it creates at least the illusion of more certainty that
>> someone will be on the other end listening.
>>
>> However, I have to question the pricing structure. First of all, I
>> pay about $168 per year already to be able to submit to FM Jobwire.
>> Now I have to pay an additional $2 per piece of music that I submit
>> per job I submit to, on top of that $168 I pay per year. Frankly, I
>> think that is wrong. If all the new jobs are going to be using this
>> new system, then my subscription to FM Jobwire only gives me a
>> discount in submitting, and nothing more.
>>
>> What I think would make more sense, if you have to have a system in
>> place (After all, most of us have our own websites with our music on
>> it already, we don't really need a submission system to pay extra
>> for) is that there be a flat fee per year where you can have x number
>> of .mp3 files stored, and submit to any job wire jobs for free, or
>> something along those lines. It needs to be clear cut and simple.
>> I thought I would try out your system, just to see what happens, but
>> frankly, I think it is way overpriced, unless there is some hidden
>> benefit you have not told us about. I think I may cancel my FMN
>> subscription.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Joel
>>
>>
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>
>
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>
>Message: 5
>Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:42:50 -0800
>From: Jim Chase <jchase at billyhalemusic.com>
>Subject: Re: [Fmpro] the copyrighting process
>To: fmpro at nxport.com
>Message-ID: <45B55A0A.3060901 at billyhalemusic.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>Scott,
>
>You wrote: "My recommendation is that you submit your cue sheet
>electronically (email)..."
>
>Many Thanks, Scott! I'm old school, and neglected to consider the email
>Return Receipt factor. The point on which we can agree is, get proof of
>what you have sent and keep copies for your records and, as you
>suggested, do so by the fastest means possible!
>
>rjchase
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 6
>Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:28:02 -0800
>From: "Steve Schow" <steve at bstage.com>
>Subject: [Fmpro] Jack Smalley's book
>To: fmpro at nxport.com
>Message-ID: <1169530082.23397.1170712301 at webmail.messagingengine.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
>
>Do any of you own the book by jack Smalley and if so, would you
>reccomend it or do you feel its worth the $80 pricetag?
>
> http://www.jacksmalley.com/
>
>-steve
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 7
>Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:49:32 -0800 (PST)
>From: Pete <musical411 at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [Fmpro] New FM Network submission changes
>To: fmpro at nxport.com
>Message-ID: <495060.78923.qm at web53714.mail.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
>Hi Mark,
>
>I really appreciate the option to submit as a
>non-member. (Although, I can sympathize with Joel.)
>
>I already sent my first submission. The system is much
>smoother than Taxi's online submissions. With Taxi,
>you have to upload to a third-party site (Broadjam),
>then wait for them to verify the file. That can take
>up to 48 hours. Then you have to remember to go back a
>submit and pay for the job posting. Awkward.
>
>Mark wrote, "...you'll get an email automatically when
>the reviewer listens to your music - that's something
>no other online submission system I know of offers."
>
>Taxi does send you an email after your submission was
>either "forwarded" or "rejected". But being forwarded
>is no guarantee that it was actually listened to by
>the job-poster. I imagine there are times when a
>poster will have already found what they were looking
>for, and stop listening to new submissions before my
>Taxi "forward" even reaches their desk.
>
>One request is that you include the License fees /
>Composer fees in the postings whenever humanly
>possible. That's only fair, and it put's all of us
>Composers in a better postion. Offer pennies = no
>submissions. You want good music, offer us good money.
>
>Nice job Mark, I appreciate the new opportunities to
>get our music out there!!
>
>P e t e
>S u r d o v a l
>
>--- Mark Northam <mark at gmdgroup.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Joel -
>>
>> Thanks for sharing your feedback. I'll respond
>> briefly on the list here so
>> as not to overly burden the list with the details.
>>
>> First, our new SubmitDIRECT program is optional - we
>> offer it to job posters
>> to use if they choose to for online submissions. The
>> key benefit of
>> SubmitDIRECT is the ease at with both submitters can
>> upload their music, and
>> reviewers can review and make contact with
>> submitters - far easier than FTP
>> especially for filmmakers and music supervisors,
>> many of whom would never
>> use an FTP program. Some job posters may use the
>> system, some may not and
>> will request CDs in the mail - it's completely up to
>> them.
>>
>> We've also tried to price our electronic submission
>> service far below
>> others, like TAXI, which has a $5/track submission
>> charge and an additional
>> membership necessary for electronic submissions,
>> which first have to go
>> through an anonymous screener before they make it
>> (or not) to the hiring
>> music supervisor, filmmaker, etc.
>>
>> Furthermore, you'll get an email automatically when
>> the reviewer listens to
>> your music - that's something no other online
>> submission system I know of
>> offers.
>>
>> We've been building the SubmitDIRECT technology for
>> many months now after
>> numerous requests from our job posters for an online
>> submission system to
>> relieve the problems of funky FTP issues, email
>> boxes overfilled with MP3
>> files, and slow snail-mail delivery. While our
>> system isn't perfect, we're
>> working to make it as good as it can be. I
>> appreciate your feedback.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Mark Northam
>>
>> P.S. You can also reduce your FMN Web Membership to
>> only $139/year by
>> choosing an annual membership, which also gives you
>> 3 months free - you can
>> get details at http://www.filmmusic.net. We're also
>> bundling in some new
>> benefits for annual members you'll be hearing about
>> shortly.
>>
>>
>> On 1/22/07 3:07 PM, "JJB" <onephatcat at earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Mark,
>> >
>> > As a paying subscriber to FMN Jobwire for several
>> years, I appreciate
>> > the new ability to submit electronically through
>> your system, only
>> > because it creates at least the illusion of more
>> certainty that
>> > someone will be on the other end listening.
>> >
>> > However, I have to question the pricing structure.
>> First of all, I
>> > pay about $168 per year already to be able to
>> submit to FM Jobwire.
>> > Now I have to pay an additional $2 per piece of
>> music that I submit
>> > per job I submit to, on top of that $168 I pay per
>> year. Frankly, I
>> > think that is wrong. If all the new jobs are going
>> to be using this
>> > new system, then my subscription to FM Jobwire
>> only gives me a
>> > discount in submitting, and nothing more.
>> >
>> > What I think would make more sense, if you have to
>> have a system in
>> > place (After all, most of us have our own websites
>> with our music on
>> > it already, we don't really need a submission
>> system to pay extra
>> > for) is that there be a flat fee per year where
>> you can have x number
>> > of .mp3 files stored, and submit to any job wire
>> jobs for free, or
>> > something along those lines. It needs to be clear
>> cut and simple.
>> > I thought I would try out your system, just to
>> see what happens, but
>> > frankly, I think it is way overpriced, unless
>> there is some hidden
>> > benefit you have not told us about. I think I may
>> cancel my FMN
>> > subscription.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Joel
>
>
>
>
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>Message: 8
>Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 23:15:00 -0800
>From: JJB <onephatcat at earthlink.net>
>Subject: [Fmpro] Taxidermy
>To: fmpro at nxport.com
>Message-ID: <F305495A-91E0-493E-B1A8-E8C490CE832B at earthlink.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
>
>Let me put this as delicately as I can. In the corporate world, one
>does not pay to submit a resume. One pays to list a job and get
>resumes. In the corporate world, a company charging for resume
>submission is not likely to be one worth paying money to.
>
>Craigslist, Monster, Dice, they charge the employer, not the employee
>(who, since they are applying for a job, probably are hurting for money)
>
>In the music world, the complete opposite: the musician is charged
>for the privilege of submitting a resume for a job. I believe this
>heartless structure is completely based on a perception that
>musicians are easy to take advantage of.
>
>Companies that use Musicians as labor for their products should pay
>just as much as companies that use accountants as labor for creating
>their products.
>
>Joel
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 9
>Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 23:37:48 -0800 (PST)
>From: Pete <musical411 at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [Fmpro] Taxidermy
>To: fmpro at nxport.com
>Message-ID: <888948.78187.qm at web53703.mail.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
>--- JJB <onephatcat at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Companies that use Musicians as labor for their
>> products should pay
>> just as much as companies that use accountants as
>> labor for creating their products.
>
>I agree, but how many people have a burning desire to
>do a spreadsheet analysis of the decrease in sales of
>potatoes in Quebec? How many people have a burning
>desire to score a TV animated series of Star Wars?
>Unfortunately, it all comes down to supply and demand.
>
>I'm sure McDonald's has to spend a lot of money to
>advertise for Burger-flipper Jobs. Steven Speilberg
>probably doesn't have to advertise for Composers.
>
>P e t e
>S u r d o v a l
>
>
>
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>Message: 10
>Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 23:54:33 -0800
>From: JJB <onephatcat at earthlink.net>
>Subject: Re: [Fmpro] New FM Network submission changes
>To: fmpro at nxport.com
>Message-ID: <0C3F6166-AEBF-4EA6-97B6-D3AE6651107B at earthlink.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
>
>Yes, I do like the ""your submission: xyz" has been listened to""
>feature. Very cool.
>
>Joel
>
>
>On Jan 22, 2007, at 9:49 PM, Pete wrote:
>
>> Hi Mark,
>>
>> I really appreciate the option to submit as a
>> non-member. (Although, I can sympathize with Joel.)
>>
>> I already sent my first submission. The system is much
>> smoother than Taxi's online submissions. With Taxi,
>> you have to upload to a third-party site (Broadjam),
>> then wait for them to verify the file. That can take
>> up to 48 hours. Then you have to remember to go back a
>> submit and pay for the job posting. Awkward.
>>
>> Mark wrote, "...you'll get an email automatically when
>> the reviewer listens to your music - that's something
>> no other online submission system I know of offers."
>>
>> Taxi does send you an email after your submission was
>> either "forwarded" or "rejected". But being forwarded
>> is no guarantee that it was actually listened to by
>> the job-poster. I imagine there are times when a
>> poster will have already found what they were looking
>> for, and stop listening to new submissions before my
>> Taxi "forward" even reaches their desk.
>>
>> One request is that you include the License fees /
>> Composer fees in the postings whenever humanly
>> possible. That's only fair, and it put's all of us
>> Composers in a better postion. Offer pennies = no
>> submissions. You want good music, offer us good money.
>>
>> Nice job Mark, I appreciate the new opportunities to
>> get our music out there!!
>>
>> P e t e
>> S u r d o v a l
>>
>> --- Mark Northam <mark at gmdgroup.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Joel -
>>>
>>> Thanks for sharing your feedback. I'll respond
>>> briefly on the list here so
>>> as not to overly burden the list with the details.
>>>
>>> First, our new SubmitDIRECT program is optional - we
>>> offer it to job posters
>>> to use if they choose to for online submissions. The
>>> key benefit of
>>> SubmitDIRECT is the ease at with both submitters can
>>> upload their music, and
>>> reviewers can review and make contact with
>>> submitters - far easier than FTP
>>> especially for filmmakers and music supervisors,
>>> many of whom would never
>>> use an FTP program. Some job posters may use the
>>> system, some may not and
>>> will request CDs in the mail - it's completely up to
>>> them.
>>>
>>> We've also tried to price our electronic submission
>>> service far below
>>> others, like TAXI, which has a $5/track submission
>>> charge and an additional
>>> membership necessary for electronic submissions,
>>> which first have to go
>>> through an anonymous screener before they make it
>>> (or not) to the hiring
>>> music supervisor, filmmaker, etc.
>>>
>>> Furthermore, you'll get an email automatically when
>>> the reviewer listens to
>>> your music - that's something no other online
>>> submission system I know of
>>> offers.
>>>
>>> We've been building the SubmitDIRECT technology for
>>> many months now after
>>> numerous requests from our job posters for an online
>>> submission system to
>>> relieve the problems of funky FTP issues, email
>>> boxes overfilled with MP3
>>> files, and slow snail-mail delivery. While our
>>> system isn't perfect, we're
>>> working to make it as good as it can be. I
>>> appreciate your feedback.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Mark Northam
>>>
>>> P.S. You can also reduce your FMN Web Membership to
>>> only $139/year by
>>> choosing an annual membership, which also gives you
>>> 3 months free - you can
>>> get details at http://www.filmmusic.net. We're also
>>> bundling in some new
>>> benefits for annual members you'll be hearing about
>>> shortly.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/22/07 3:07 PM, "JJB" <onephatcat at earthlink.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Mark,
>>>>
>>>> As a paying subscriber to FMN Jobwire for several
>>> years, I appreciate
>>>> the new ability to submit electronically through
>>> your system, only
>>>> because it creates at least the illusion of more
>>> certainty that
>>>> someone will be on the other end listening.
>>>>
>>>> However, I have to question the pricing structure.
>>> First of all, I
>>>> pay about $168 per year already to be able to
>>> submit to FM Jobwire.
>>>> Now I have to pay an additional $2 per piece of
>>> music that I submit
>>>> per job I submit to, on top of that $168 I pay per
>>> year. Frankly, I
>>>> think that is wrong. If all the new jobs are going
>>> to be using this
>>>> new system, then my subscription to FM Jobwire
>>> only gives me a
>>>> discount in submitting, and nothing more.
>>>>
>>>> What I think would make more sense, if you have to
>>> have a system in
>>>> place (After all, most of us have our own websites
>>> with our music on
>>>> it already, we don't really need a submission
>>> system to pay extra
>>>> for) is that there be a flat fee per year where
>>> you can have x number
>>>> of .mp3 files stored, and submit to any job wire
>>> jobs for free, or
>>>> something along those lines. It needs to be clear
>>> cut and simple.
>>>> I thought I would try out your system, just to
>>> see what happens, but
>>>> frankly, I think it is way overpriced, unless
>>> there is some hidden
>>>> benefit you have not told us about. I think I may
>>> cancel my FMN
>>>> subscription.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Joel
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>Message: 11
>Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 23:56:40 -0800
>From: JJB <onephatcat at earthlink.net>
>Subject: [Fmpro] Potatoes
>To: fmpro at nxport.com
>Message-ID: <409D6071-0818-40D3-8C63-FCF093C4A46C at earthlink.net>
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>Really, there are people who care just as passionately about potato
>sales in Qubec as we do about music. You've met them. As soon as they
>start to talk about whatever it is they are into, your ears turn
>off. Try talking to an accountant about music theory and see the
>eyes glaze over...
>
>Joel
>
>
>On Jan 22, 2007, at 11:37 PM, Pete wrote:
>
>> I agree, but how many people have a burning desire to
>> do a spreadsheet analysis of the decrease in sales of
>> potatoes in Quebec? How many people have a burning
>> desire to score a TV animated series of Star Wars?
>> Unfortunately, it all comes down to supply and demand.
>
>
>
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>Message: 12
>Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 00:01:08 -0800
>From: Mark Northam <mark at gmdgroup.com>
>Subject: Re: [Fmpro] New FM Network submission changes
>To: <fmpro at nxport.com>
>Message-ID: <C1DB00C4.29233%mark at gmdgroup.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
>Thanks, Pete! Glad you're enjoying the new system.
>
>We always try to get any figures or ranges for license fees - however 99% of
>the time, the job poster wants to be free to negotiate with the copyright
>owner(s) about the music and doesn't want to list a specific fee.
>
>Please advise any feedback/suggestions - thanks again.
>
>Mark Northam
>
>
>On 1/22/07 9:49 PM, "Pete" <musical411 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> One request is that you include the License fees /
>> Composer fees in the postings whenever humanly
>> possible. That's only fair, and it put's all of us
>> Composers in a better postion. Offer pennies = no
>> submissions. You want good music, offer us good money.
>
>---------------------------------
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>Film Music Magazine
>The Professional Voice of Music for Film & TV
>http://www.filmmusicmag.com
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>
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>Message: 13
>Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 00:03:16 -0800
>From: Mark Northam <mark at gmdgroup.com>
>Subject: Re: [Fmpro] Taxidermy
>To: <fmpro at nxport.com>
>Message-ID: <C1DB0144.29235%mark at gmdgroup.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
>Just to clarify - 100% of the submission fees go to cover the cost of
>building and maintaining the SubmitDIRECT technology platform - not a penny
>goes to the company doing the hiring.
>
>Also, we would never think of charging for responses where just emails such
>as resumes are sent. Only when the job poster chooses to use the
>SubmitDIRECT system do we charge, and only to cover the cost of the
>technology and bandwidth, which is considerable!
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark Northam
>
>
>On 1/22/07 11:15 PM, "JJB" <onephatcat at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> In the music world, the complete opposite: the musician is charged
>> for the privilege of submitting a resume for a job. I believe this
>> heartless structure is completely based on a perception that
>> musicians are easy to take advantage of.
>>
>> Companies that use Musicians as labor for their products should pay
>> just as much as companies that use accountants as labor for creating
>> their products.
>
>---------------------------------
>Mark Northam - Publisher
>Film Music Magazine
>The Professional Voice of Music for Film & TV
>http://www.filmmusicmag.com
>1-800-774-3700 x702 / (310) 645-9000 x702
>
>
>
>
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>Message: 14
>Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 00:27:57 -0800 (PST)
>From: Pete <musical411 at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [Fmpro] Potatoes
>To: fmpro at nxport.com
>Message-ID: <954183.89088.qm at web53713.mail.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
>Joel,
>
>Good point, you're probably right. It always amazes me
>what people are into. Some people dedicate their whole
>lives to finding the hottest chilli pepper,
>skateboarding, or carving potatoes in the likeness of
>Jackie Onasis. It makes me feel a little better about
>my un-ending obsession for music.
>
>But, I try not to close my ears and at least keep my
>mind open to anyone who's passionate about anything.
>
>I just read that Sir Edmund Hillary first traveled to
>the South Pole in 1955. He just made possibly his last
>visit this year at age 87. Damn, that guy is into the
>South Pole! Who knows if he ever made any money on the
>deal.
>
>P e t e
>S u r d o v a l
>
>--- JJB <onephatcat at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Really, there are people who care just as
>> passionately about potato
>> sales in Qubec as we do about music. You've met
>> them. As soon as they
>> start to talk about whatever it is they are into,
>> your ears turn
>> off. Try talking to an accountant about music
>> theory and see the
>> eyes glaze over...
>>
>> Joel
>>
>>
>> On Jan 22, 2007, at 11:37 PM, Pete wrote:
>>
>> > I agree, but how many people have a burning desire
>> to
>> > do a spreadsheet analysis of the decrease in sales
>> of
>> > potatoes in Quebec? How many people have a burning
>> > desire to score a TV animated series of Star Wars?
>> > Unfortunately, it all comes down to supply and
>> demand.
>
>
>
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>Message: 15
>Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 04:04:31 -0500
>From: "Chris Alpiar" <chris at alpiar.com>
>Subject: Re: [Fmpro] How TAXI Works
>To: <fmpro at nxport.com>
>Message-ID: <001801c73ecd$7f1d8f90$6601a8c0 at workhorse>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>The TAXI service is about 400 a year to be a member and get the TAXI
>dispatch listings. Then you pay another 50/100/150 per year for a prebuilt
>website that you *MUST* use to upload any of your music for submission. They
>have added a lot of value to those websites actually, including a do it
>yourself merchandise store and ability to sell your mp3 downloads directly
>for 99cents, and the artist gets 80cents, services to get radio play time,
>among other things
>
>Then the $5 per submission fee you pay is to pay for having your submission
>screened, and often critiqued and decided on if it is acceptable to send to
>the prospective employer. The value is, especially in a large organization
>like TAXI, is that the submissions, when they arrive, are release quality
>recordings and music that fits the submission style and quality, and
>therefore they are able to get premium jobs and develop a hi level rapport
>with top publishers, agencies and whoever
>
>I started with them a few months ago, I have had 8 or 9 things forwarded and
>about the same amount rejected. Only a couple pieces were critiqued. Getting
>critiqued from an anonymous number is very frustrating, but I think its
>probably a learning experience for me
>
>But the $5 fee is not for an upload service, its supposed to be for the
>screening service. They list a very impressive crew of potential screeners
>as well, tho I have no idea who actually does it (is it the Paramount bigwig
>or a college student, there is no real way to tell). And the idea of the
>screening is to help us not waste time and discs submitting the wrong thing,
>as well as to hopefully make the person receiving it more receptive.
>
>$299/year - Taxi (usually 3 or 4 hundred listings a month)
>Example of their listings: http://www.taxi.com/industry.php?Listings-drop2
>
>$150/year extra (I think, something arund that, maybe 200) - Taxi Dispatch
>(VIP club concept, you pay more and get the juicy listings)
>They email me 5 or 6 a day usually, varying styles. Usually I see 1
>orchestral/instrumental listing a week
>
>$50-150/year Broadjam Website (required to submit to taxi over the web,
>otherwise u must submit via CD) - 50/year lets u have 50 songs uploaded on
>their servers for taxi submission, 150/year gives you 250. Once you are out
>of songs u must delete one to submit something new
>Example of my broadjam page: http://www.broadjam.com/alpiar
>
>$5.00 per song submitted, charged by broadjam, partnered with taxi)
>You dig thru taxi listings posted on broadjam and then click one you wand to
>submit to and then click the song(s) you have uploaded and submit them, then
>check out and pay your money
>
>Now all of that has yet to yield me something very substantial, but I am in
>for the year and will see how it pans out by next winter. If I get even 1 or
>2 serious gigs its worth every penny. If not then it's a joke.
>
>My main question Mark, is are you planning to get like a ton more of real
>listings for this service you are building? I love all the stuff you do man,
>but job listings have always been weak at best, maybe 1 real scoring gig a
>year shows up, 99% of the rest is like intern spots and such. If your
>listings get real juicy I will fo sure be on board, but if I can expect same
>level of stuff I will probably opt for the minimum service
>________________________________
>
>Christopher Kennedy Alpiar
>Cinematic Composer
>2727 Gaylord Avenue
>Studio C
>Dayton, OH 45419
>310.339.9603 (Los Angeles)
>937-294-0900 (Dayton)
>chris at alpiar.com
>
>________________________________
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com
>[mailto:fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com] On Behalf Of Mark Northam
>Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 6:38 PM
>To: fmpro at nxport.com
>Subject: Re: [Fmpro] New FM Network submission changes
>
>Hi Joel -
>
>Thanks for sharing your feedback. I'll respond briefly on the list here so
>as not to overly burden the list with the details.
>
>First, our new SubmitDIRECT program is optional - we offer it to job posters
>to use if they choose to for online submissions. The key benefit of
>SubmitDIRECT is the ease at with both submitters can upload their music, and
>reviewers can review and make contact with submitters - far easier than FTP
>especially for filmmakers and music supervisors, many of whom would never
>use an FTP program. Some job posters may use the system, some may not and
>will request CDs in the mail - it's completely up to them.
>
>We've also tried to price our electronic submission service far below
>others, like TAXI, which has a $5/track submission charge and an additional
>membership necessary for electronic submissions, which first have to go
>through an anonymous screener before they make it (or not) to the hiring
>music supervisor, filmmaker, etc.
>
>Furthermore, you'll get an email automatically when the reviewer listens to
>your music - that's something no other online submission system I know of
>offers.
>
>We've been building the SubmitDIRECT technology for many months now after
>numerous requests from our job posters for an online submission system to
>relieve the problems of funky FTP issues, email boxes overfilled with MP3
>files, and slow snail-mail delivery. While our system isn't perfect, we're
>working to make it as good as it can be. I appreciate your feedback.
>
>Best,
>
>Mark Northam
>
>P.S. You can also reduce your FMN Web Membership to only $139/year by
>choosing an annual membership, which also gives you 3 months free - you can
>get details at http://www.filmmusic.net. We're also bundling in some new
>benefits for annual members you'll be hearing about shortly.
>
>
>On 1/22/07 3:07 PM, "JJB" <onephatcat at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi Mark,
>>
>> As a paying subscriber to FMN Jobwire for several years, I appreciate
>> the new ability to submit electronically through your system, only
>> because it creates at least the illusion of more certainty that
>> someone will be on the other end listening.
>>
>> However, I have to question the pricing structure. First of all, I
>> pay about $168 per year already to be able to submit to FM Jobwire.
>> Now I have to pay an additional $2 per piece of music that I submit
>> per job I submit to, on top of that $168 I pay per year. Frankly, I
>> think that is wrong. If all the new jobs are going to be using this
>> new system, then my subscription to FM Jobwire only gives me a
>> discount in submitting, and nothing more.
>>
>> What I think would make more sense, if you have to have a system in
>> place (After all, most of us have our own websites with our music on
>> it already, we don't really need a submission system to pay extra
>> for) is that there be a flat fee per year where you can have x number
>> of .mp3 files stored, and submit to any job wire jobs for free, or
>> something along those lines. It needs to be clear cut and simple.
>> I thought I would try out your system, just to see what happens, but
>> frankly, I think it is way overpriced, unless there is some hidden
>> benefit you have not told us about. I think I may cancel my FMN
>> subscription.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Joel
>>
>>
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>Message: 16
>Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 01:26:42 -0800
>From: Mark Northam <mark at gmdgroup.com>
>Subject: Re: [Fmpro] How TAXI Works
>To: <fmpro at nxport.com>
>Message-ID: <C1DB14D2.29259%mark at gmdgroup.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
>Hi Chris -
>
>Thanks for the note, but I have to say your numbers are way off re: our
>service. We have a few freebie intern jobs every once in a while, but
>typically over 50% of the jobs are for music wanted, either to license or to
>hire (a composer, etc).
>
>For instance, there are 20 Film Music Network jobs currently open, and all
>but 1 are paid positions. Here's the breakdown:
>
>Music or Composer Wanted: 10
>Full Time position (film music related): 4
>Paid Assistant: 3
>Orchestrators wanted: 1
>Music Supervisor wanted: 1
>Free Intern: 1 (hourly stipend possible)
>
>Admittedly it's hard sometimes to get people to place "juicy" listings with
>us, as it's simpler just to hire someone they already know. However, we're
>trying... SubmitDIRECT will make things easier and more convenient for job
>posters, which we believe will lead to even better job postings.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark Northam
>
>On 1/23/07 1:04 AM, "Chris Alpiar" <chris at alpiar.com> wrote:
>
>> My main question Mark, is are you planning to get like a ton more of real
>> listings for this service you are building? I love all the stuff you do man,
>> but job listings have always been weak at best, maybe 1 real scoring gig a
>> year shows up, 99% of the rest is like intern spots and such. If your
>> listings get real juicy I will fo sure be on board, but if I can expect same
>> level of stuff I will probably opt for the minimum service
>
>---------------------------------
>Mark Northam - Publisher
>Film Music Magazine
>The Professional Voice of Music for Film & TV
>http://www.filmmusicmag.com
>1-800-774-3700 x702 / (310) 645-9000 x702
>
>
>
>
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>Message: 17
>Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 02:30:12 -0800
>From: JJB <onephatcat at earthlink.net>
>Subject: Re: [Fmpro] Taxidermy
>To: fmpro at nxport.com
>Message-ID: <1D22D52D-7FC2-4745-BF1A-7F26B941A2FE at earthlink.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
>
>Mark,
>
>I know that you have improving the lot of composers as one of your
>main goals in life. I don't think you personally are trying to take
>advantage of musicians. There is a different culture about businesses
>that connect musicians with jobs vs businesses that connect non-
>musicians (accountants, artists, photographers art directors
>publishers writers, tech writers etc etc etc) with jobs. My opinion
>is that should change. That being said, I know bandwidth costs a
>certain amount, and software development a huge amount.
>
>Obviously you have put lots of thought into your system, and, except
>for my complaint about the fees, I like the way it works, because it
>is simple and easy to use. It took me about 8 minutes to find 5 mp3's
>and upload them to your system, a few hours later two .mp3's had been
>listened to, hopefully by a decision maker. Really, there is nothing
>else like that on the planet that I have seen yet.
>
>Joel
>
>
>
>On Jan 23, 2007, at 12:03 AM, Mark Northam wrote:
>
>> Just to clarify - 100% of the submission fees go to cover the cost of
>> building and maintaining the SubmitDIRECT technology platform - not
>> a penny
>> goes to the company doing the hiring.
>>
>> Also, we would never think of charging for responses where just
>> emails such
>> as resumes are sent. Only when the job poster chooses to use the
>> SubmitDIRECT system do we charge, and only to cover the cost of the
>> technology and bandwidth, which is considerable!
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Mark Northam
>>
>>
>> On 1/22/07 11:15 PM, "JJB" <onephatcat at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>> In the music world, the complete opposite: the musician is charged
>>> for the privilege of submitting a resume for a job. I believe this
>>> heartless structure is completely based on a perception that
>>> musicians are easy to take advantage of.
>>>
>>> Companies that use Musicians as labor for their products should pay
>>> just as much as companies that use accountants as labor for creating
>>> their products.
>>
>> ---------------------------------
>> Mark Northam - Publisher
>> Film Music Magazine
>> The Professional Voice of Music for Film & TV
>> http://www.filmmusicmag.com
>> 1-800-774-3700 x702 / (310) 645-9000 x702
>>
>>
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