[Fmpro] 666 Euro Downloads Pay Song/Score equally, why not ASCAP?

Tue Jul 17 21:04:33 GMT 2007

Yea they are voted on, but you are saying "somethings wrong fix it" and I am
asking for a plan on how you get that many voting members to organize and
fix it. First step is to acknowledge the problem, we know there is one now
:) so next step is what do we do? "everyone vote" doesn't work (as we
already see) so how to make change?

-----Original Message-----
From: fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com
[mailto:fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com] On Behalf Of leshurdle
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 3:26 PM
To: fmpro at nxport.com
Subject: Re: [Fmpro] 666 Euro Downloads Pay Song/Score equally,why not
ASCAP?

Hi Chris,
As far as I know PRO's like ASCAP/PRS/SESAC/GEMA/SGAE etc are  
democratic and the boards are elected by the members.......  it would  
require effort, but the number of board members who understood the  
need of those who wrote the majority of music on air, could be  
elected they would be able to apply pressure for change.

I've never put this in print before, but here it is.

The last time I spoke with the CEO of ASCAP [at a meeting organized  
by John Cacavas] he told me he wanted, among other things  1-1.**

So, one must assume, if the board is changed, he would be allowed to  
do what he knows is the right thing to do.

But who does he have to bow down to in order to remain employed?

Getting it done.
As you say, you sit on the fence......... get off it.

L

** Let's see if he denies it or calls me a liar.

On Jul 17, 2007, at 11:02 AM, Chris Alpiar wrote:

>
> "> Fire the entire exec staff at PRO's, get rid of the Board..
>> especially current leaders........ find composers who actually are in
>> business."
> - Sir Les
>
> If we don't leave the PROs how do we get power to say who is or  
> isn't on the
> board and its staff? The only way is to unionize and in solidarity  
> the voice
> is enough to make a difference. But would need the top 10 to  
> participate
> equally as the bottom 10000
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com
> [mailto:fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com] On Behalf Of  
> leshurdle
> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 1:45 PM
> To: fmpro at nxport.com
> Subject: [Fmpro] 666 Euro Downloads Pay Song/Score equally, why not  
> ASCAP?
>
> Hi Chris,
>
> I'll lump your 2 emails together.
>
> I DID NOT say we must leave the PRO's.
> The ideas behind them are good, it is management and the boards which
> are out of whack... but for whom?
>
> PLEASE look at your 2nd post..................   > Isn't the general
> idea that for broadcasting
> fees, a classical jazz or instrumental station wont pay the same
> monthly nut
> a top 40 or rock or R&B station would since they cant attract the
> same grade
> of advertisers?<
>
> For this discussion, it doesn't matter what the broadcaster pays...
> it is how the PRO's then manipulate the 1-1 income to suit the
> members they wish to favour the most.
>
> It's a club dude........... did you not see Sunday Morning this last
> w/e?
>
> NOTE......... PRS just changed the rules, they kept 1-1, but NOT
> 24/7.......... guess who will get paid the most....... even though
> they admit the broadcaster pays 1-1 24/7.
>
> NOPE, it's us idiots who allow the corruption to continue.
>
> RICO question.
>
> If a statement is sent via email and royalties paid via direct
> deposit......... is there any mail fraud?
>
> Les
>
>
> On Jul 17, 2007, at 9:58 AM, Chris Alpiar wrote:
>
>> So what you are saying is that every US composer simultaneously drops
>> membership from ascap bmi and sesac in order to shake them up. So
>> how would
>> we get paid *anything* then without negotiation? Revolution sounds
>> great but
>> you have no real plan here Les, just emotion. Being one of those
>> idiots I
>> would love to hear a real plan on how to arrive at change. The only
>> thing
>> that makes sense to me is to unionize, but every time I bring up
>> that its
>> just *crickets* coming from the backyard...
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com
>> [mailto:fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com] On Behalf Of
>> leshurdle
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 12:34 PM
>> To: fmpro at nxport.com
>> Subject: Re: [Fmpro] Euro Downloads Pay Song/Score equally, why not
>> ASCAP?
>>
>> The answer is very simple.
>>
>> Fire the entire exec staff at PRO's, get rid of the Board..
>> especially current leaders........ find composers who actually are in
>> business.
>>
>> Oooooaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhggggggggggggggcccccccchhhhhhhhhhtttttttttttt
>> just waking up to composer reality ;-)
>>
>> The reason US PRO's do not pay equally is because YOUUUUUUUUUUU
>> idiots allow it.
>>
>> 1-1  what is so wrong with that?
>>
>> PLEASE don't come up with all the PRO brain washing lame
>> excuses...... prove the broadcasters do NOT pay at 1-1 then we'll
>> have a debate.
>>
>> If you can't prove it............  what is it you don't know about
>> YOUR business?
>>
>> L
>>
>> On Jul 17, 2007, at 8:31 AM, Mark Northam wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting how when it comes to downloadable music in Europe all
>>> types of
>>> music are paid the same, but when it comes to film/TV music, ASCAP
>>> and their
>>> pals see fit to punish instrumental music with an 80% penalty for a
>>> one
>>> minute cue (compared to what a song is paid) and composers just  
>>> yawn.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions on what can be done about it?
>>>
>>> Has everybody "given up" on this issue?
>>>
>>>
>>> Mark Northam
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/17/07 1:21 AM, "Michael Leahy" <writestuff at chello.be> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The Tribunal decision confirms that songwriters, composers and  
>>>> their
>>>> publishers should receive 8% of gross revenues from online music
>>>> service
>>>> providers for on-demand services including downloads and
>>>> subscription
>>>> streaming services
>>>
>>>
>>>
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