[Fmpro] 666 Euro Downloads Pay Song/Score equally, why not ASCAP?

[leshurdle]

Chris

We had a plan to educate via the AACO about a decade ago.

As ever, it was the composers who let the movement down.

A bunch of scared ... what did the CA Gov call his  
Senators..........   girlymen !

The bottom line is.........  Boards do not need to heed..........  
they are safe.

L



On Jul 17, 2007, at 2:04 PM, Chris Alpiar wrote:

> Yea they are voted on, but you are saying "somethings wrong fix it"  
> and I am
> asking for a plan on how you get that many voting members to  
> organize and
> fix it. First step is to acknowledge the problem, we know there is  
> one now
> :) so next step is what do we do? "everyone vote" doesn't work (as we
> already see) so how to make change?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com
> [mailto:fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com] On Behalf Of  
> leshurdle
> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 3:26 PM
> To: fmpro at nxport.com
> Subject: Re: [Fmpro] 666 Euro Downloads Pay Song/Score equally,why not
> ASCAP?
>
> Hi Chris,
> As far as I know PRO's like ASCAP/PRS/SESAC/GEMA/SGAE etc are
> democratic and the boards are elected by the members.......  it would
> require effort, but the number of board members who understood the
> need of those who wrote the majority of music on air, could be
> elected they would be able to apply pressure for change.
>
> I've never put this in print before, but here it is.
>
> The last time I spoke with the CEO of ASCAP [at a meeting organized
> by John Cacavas] he told me he wanted, among other things  1-1.**
>
> So, one must assume, if the board is changed, he would be allowed to
> do what he knows is the right thing to do.
>
> But who does he have to bow down to in order to remain employed?
>
> Getting it done.
> As you say, you sit on the fence......... get off it.
>
> L
>
> ** Let's see if he denies it or calls me a liar.
>
>
>
> On Jul 17, 2007, at 11:02 AM, Chris Alpiar wrote:
>
>>
>> "> Fire the entire exec staff at PRO's, get rid of the Board..
>>> especially current leaders........ find composers who actually  
>>> are in
>>> business."
>> - Sir Les
>>
>> If we don't leave the PROs how do we get power to say who is or
>> isn't on the
>> board and its staff? The only way is to unionize and in solidarity
>> the voice
>> is enough to make a difference. But would need the top 10 to
>> participate
>> equally as the bottom 10000
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com
>> [mailto:fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com] On Behalf Of
>> leshurdle
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 1:45 PM
>> To: fmpro at nxport.com
>> Subject: [Fmpro] 666 Euro Downloads Pay Song/Score equally, why not
>> ASCAP?
>>
>> Hi Chris,
>>
>> I'll lump your 2 emails together.
>>
>> I DID NOT say we must leave the PRO's.
>> The ideas behind them are good, it is management and the boards which
>> are out of whack... but for whom?
>>
>> PLEASE look at your 2nd post..................   > Isn't the general
>> idea that for broadcasting
>> fees, a classical jazz or instrumental station wont pay the same
>> monthly nut
>> a top 40 or rock or R&B station would since they cant attract the
>> same grade
>> of advertisers?<
>>
>> For this discussion, it doesn't matter what the broadcaster pays...
>> it is how the PRO's then manipulate the 1-1 income to suit the
>> members they wish to favour the most.
>>
>> It's a club dude........... did you not see Sunday Morning this last
>> w/e?
>>
>> NOTE......... PRS just changed the rules, they kept 1-1, but NOT
>> 24/7.......... guess who will get paid the most....... even though
>> they admit the broadcaster pays 1-1 24/7.
>>
>> NOPE, it's us idiots who allow the corruption to continue.
>>
>> RICO question.
>>
>> If a statement is sent via email and royalties paid via direct
>> deposit......... is there any mail fraud?
>>
>> Les
>>
>>
>> On Jul 17, 2007, at 9:58 AM, Chris Alpiar wrote:
>>
>>> So what you are saying is that every US composer simultaneously  
>>> drops
>>> membership from ascap bmi and sesac in order to shake them up. So
>>> how would
>>> we get paid *anything* then without negotiation? Revolution sounds
>>> great but
>>> you have no real plan here Les, just emotion. Being one of those
>>> idiots I
>>> would love to hear a real plan on how to arrive at change. The only
>>> thing
>>> that makes sense to me is to unionize, but every time I bring up
>>> that its
>>> just *crickets* coming from the backyard...
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com
>>> [mailto:fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com] On Behalf Of
>>> leshurdle
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 12:34 PM
>>> To: fmpro at nxport.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Fmpro] Euro Downloads Pay Song/Score equally, why not
>>> ASCAP?
>>>
>>> The answer is very simple.
>>>
>>> Fire the entire exec staff at PRO's, get rid of the Board..
>>> especially current leaders........ find composers who actually  
>>> are in
>>> business.
>>>
>>> Oooooaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhggggggggggggggcccccccchhhhhhhhhhtttttttttttt
>>> just waking up to composer reality ;-)
>>>
>>> The reason US PRO's do not pay equally is because YOUUUUUUUUUUU
>>> idiots allow it.
>>>
>>> 1-1  what is so wrong with that?
>>>
>>> PLEASE don't come up with all the PRO brain washing lame
>>> excuses...... prove the broadcasters do NOT pay at 1-1 then we'll
>>> have a debate.
>>>
>>> If you can't prove it............  what is it you don't know about
>>> YOUR business?
>>>
>>> L
>>>
>>> On Jul 17, 2007, at 8:31 AM, Mark Northam wrote:
>>>
>>>> Interesting how when it comes to downloadable music in Europe all
>>>> types of
>>>> music are paid the same, but when it comes to film/TV music, ASCAP
>>>> and their
>>>> pals see fit to punish instrumental music with an 80% penalty for a
>>>> one
>>>> minute cue (compared to what a song is paid) and composers just
>>>> yawn.
>>>>
>>>> Any suggestions on what can be done about it?
>>>>
>>>> Has everybody "given up" on this issue?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mark Northam
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 7/17/07 1:21 AM, "Michael Leahy" <writestuff at chello.be> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The Tribunal decision confirms that songwriters, composers and
>>>>> their
>>>>> publishers should receive 8% of gross revenues from online music
>>>>> service
>>>>> providers for on-demand services including downloads and
>>>>> subscription
>>>>> streaming services
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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