[Fmpro] going loopy

[Chris Alpiar]

Well there is lots of grey area on this but its very different then using
pre fabricated loops. You are talking about synthesis and sound creation,
not the making music with those sounds. Alone the coolest synth sound you
ever created is not music, just noise, except to you at 4am with your
headphones on hehe. (no offense intended!) But its when you use that cool
synth sound, or the horns you play or the guitar, or the beer bottle you
blow in, or the slinky sample you trigger with a drum machine, or whatever
in the universe you can think up. Sun Ra Arkestra travels with a 30 foot
wide drum made from a tree that was felled in a lightning storm outside
their communal house. Where ever you get your sound from whether you created
it with you and god alone (god, mother nature, the universal source, w/e you
are comfy with) or you used a sound that someone else created (adolf sax who
made your saxophone conceptually, or some geek at Roland that came up with
preset 92) its still up to you to make music with it, it is your tool. A
loop that is 4 bars long that you schlep it into a sequencer and loop it
over and over to me is firstly a cop-out, a way to be so lazy with your art,
and 2nd it was sounds like you have in your toolbox but that somebody ELSE
used to make a mini composition, so its not yours.

Obviously it is not illegal to do such (Pete) but to me it is some kind of
legal musical object plagiarism that weakens your art and speaks miles of
your ethic. Is there noone on this list that agrees with me? Have we all
been corrupted by the instant gratification of the low hanging pre-fab loop
fruits?

-----Original Message-----
From: fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com
[mailto:fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com] On Behalf Of
onephatcat at earthlink.net
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 1:27 PM
To: fmpro at nxport.com
Subject: Re: [Fmpro] going loopy

What's wrong with Shlitz? 

;-)

Actually, it is the same argument we used to use about sampling in general,
and synth presets before there was sampling? "make your own sounds".  Any
raw material that can be used for the creative process is good, if Apple
tosses in some free loops with the EXS24, who's going to complain? There
have been plenty of hit songs made with default patches, the only people who
groan are those who know that synth and go "that sucks, he's just using
preset #25" (which sounded cool, but we didn't use it because it was a
default patch, and that was lame). How many songs were and are still written
with the DX7 electric piano sound? A classic and it doesn't suck any less
today than it did then. 

Joel

-----Original Message-----
>From: Chris Alpiar <chris at alpiar.com>
>Sent: May 31, 2007 4:23 PM
>To: fmpro at nxport.com
>Subject: Re: [Fmpro] going loopy
>
>I'm going to reiterate since I kind of spoke a lot on this earlier I want
to
>be sure to not be misunderstood. I think looping is another way of being
>creative and any way that you can *create* an emotional instance it is a
>testament to your creativity, so long as it resonates truth within
yourself.
>I stand firm however, that using some *pre-built* loops that come with a
>software or a library is lame, lamer then lame, and it is the same as using
>a ghost writer and claiming its yours, or lip syncing at the Grammy's:
>unethical and not your creation, regardless of whether it is legal or not.
>
>By all means though smoke a fatty and have fun playing them, even get ideas
>on how to make something yourself from them. But I would have to hear
>something pretty extraordinary, some avant-garde use of pre built loops to
>accept it as ones art. 
>
>However on that same thought if you enjoy using loops do so and be happy,
>but call yourself something other then a composer. Its like calling a
>redneck with an IQ of 85 that he's a free thinker and an intellectual
>because he chose Schlitz instead of Pabst blue ribbon :P
>
>I will shaddap now before you all start calling me Lynne, I cant except it!
>
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