[Fmpro] For Lynne Simple Hello
Susan Poliniak
spoliniak at mindspring.com
Mon May 7 20:08:53 GMT 2007
A British moose???
I'm thinking more along the lines of a tiger's head--the spoils of African safari, and all that.
- Susan
-----Original Message-----
>From: Chris Alpiar <chris at alpiar.com>
>Sent: May 7, 2007 2:31 PM
>To: fmpro at nxport.com
>Subject: Re: [Fmpro] For Lynne Simple Hello
>
>Haha les you know I'm kidding, just the whole British thing, you know, makes
>me imagine you with bushy eyebrows, a pipe and wearing tweed, sitting at a
>great oak desk with a moose head hanging above eating kippers and eggs and
>tea before gathering for the PRO fox hunt
>
>Talley Ho!
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com
>[mailto:fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com] On Behalf Of leshurdle
>Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 12:07 PM
>To: fmpro at nxport.com
>Subject: Re: [Fmpro] For Lynne Simple Hello
>
>Olde is it? Ha
>
>I'm only a bear when those who would wish to make money off our backs
>[nothing personal Lynne] only want to do the easy part, and NEVER
>[IMHO] offer any guarantee they will work in the future to secure
>their %% never mind about the actual income for the client.... to say
>nothing of proof of usage./income.
>
>NO, PRO's and publishers will NOT support the writer 'correctly/
>accurately'.
>NOTE; no gross amount at source data on any statement[s].
>
>With regard to the terrible weighting formula operated by ALL US
>PRO's........ PRS in the UK is about to cut back the '''''value''''
>of music on air from 12 midnight to 6.00pm to 50% of the ''''
>value''' while music on the air between 6.00pm and midnight is paid
>double. +++
>
>I asked if this was because many episodic tv shows and movies, shown
>in what PRS calls prime time**, now carry a great deal more
>song........ no answer ;-)
>
>Remember those of you who have music on air in the UK......... this
>may well mean your income will be halved......... or doubled !!
>
>My guess the new rules at PRS will shift radically once those who
>wanted the new gouge realize Ad's and promos are also being paid
>double......... they wont like that.... next it WILL BE........ how
>can 'score be valued as per song........ it has no lyrics !
>
>Where do we hear that all the time?
>
>L
>
>** The BBC commissioned a study of 5000 viewers [not a large audience
>by US standards] to see when people watched TV.
>They provided a 'download' service........... the conclusion was
>PRIME TIME was NOT when people watched PT slotted shows.
>Many watched in the wee late or early morning hours..........
>hmmmmmm will there be a weighting formula for downloads/mechanicals???
>
>+++ at an ASCAP meeting a few years ago, when many of us were barred,
>but eventually allowed to attend, Mr Brabek insisted PRS members were
>unhappy with 1-1.
>I asked the then CEO of PRS if this was so, he said no.
>However, since it takes a while for PRO's to shift gears maybe the
>upcoming changes were in the works years ago 'they' just needed an
>excuse and massive nighttime usage [The Mint] provided the excuse.
>
>+++ what happens if US PRO's reduce the value of 75% of airtime to
>50%... think they wont?
>
>
>
>
>On May 7, 2007, at 7:15 AM, Chris Alpiar wrote:
>
>> Lynne thanks for your great willingness to iron out our old bear
>> Les ;)
>> However while your Wikipedia description has validity there is more
>> nuance
>> then that. And how this list refers to it is quite different I
>> believe.
>> Technically all songwriters are composers but not all composers
>> write songs.
>> But I think in our world composer generally refers to someone that
>> writes
>> for orchestra, the underscore of a film or tv show, the stuff that
>> requires
>> years and years of technical and theoretical training as well as a
>> thorough
>> understanding and interpretation of all kinds of western and ethnic
>> musics
>> and the culture and philosophies they were created in. And it is that
>> person, with fingers bleeding from writing 80 piece orchestral
>> scores, or at
>> least condensed versions for their orchestrator, that is getting
>> paid 20% of
>> what songwriters with vocals get from ascap. And only in America is
>> this
>> happening. As for the songwriter, the title has more of a "pop"
>> flavor and
>> while some songwriters have as much skill as many composers, there
>> are many
>> more who are hacks, with todays technology using loop based
>> software to say
>> they "wrote" something when they actually just drag and dropped
>> something
>> that someone else wrote and slapped some lyrics on top. At least
>> that's my
>> take on it :)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com
>> [mailto:fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com] On Behalf Of
>> Lynne T.
>> Conte
>> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 2:44 AM
>> To: fmpro at nxport.com
>> Subject: Re: [Fmpro] For Lynne Simple Hello
>>
>> Les, you ask "do you consider all 'composers' to be songwriters?"
>>
>> A *composer* is a person who writes
>> music<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music>.
>> The term refers particularly to someone who writes music in some type
>> of musical
>> notation <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musical_notation>; thus,
>> allowing
>> others to perform <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Performance> the
>> music. This
>> distinguishes the composer from a
>> musician<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musician>who
>> improvises <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Improvisation> or plays an
>> instrument <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrument>. The term can
>> also
>> include someone who writes electroacoustic
>> music<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroacoustic_music>which may or
>> may not be transcribed into some form of musical notation. (
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Composer)
>>
>> Musically Yours,
>>
>> Lynne
>>
>> On 5/6/07, leshurdle <leshurdle at avradionet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> So Lynne.......... do you consider all 'composers' to be songwriters?
>>>
>>> les
>>>
>>> On May 6, 2007, at 1:13 AM, Lynne T. Conte wrote:
>>>
>>>> Joel,
>>>>
>>>> More information that I researched:
>>>>
>>>> "A music publisher deals in the marketing and commercial
>>>> exploitation of
>>>> songs. Originally, the term referred to publishers of
>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheet_music>sheet
>>>> music, but this has changed largely over the years, and today's
>>>> music
>>>> publishers rarely deal with printed music or scores. (Those who do
>>>> have come
>>>> to be known as "music print publishers".) Music publishers
>>>> regularly handle
>>>> and control the rights to transcriptions and uses of musical works,
>>>> and act
>>>> on behalf of <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
>>>> Songwriter>songwriters in
>>>> matters of distributing royalties and protection against
>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright>copyright
>>>> infringement."
>>>>
>>>> Musically Yours,
>>>>
>>>> Lynne/Talent Manager
>>>> Conte's Networking Communications
>>>>
>>>> On 5/5/07, onephatcat at earthlink.net <onephatcat at earthlink.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> short of a "total information awareness" 1984 scenario, there is
>>>>> no way to
>>>>> know beyond a certain level. Many groups would like to know every
>>>>> time you
>>>>> play a song on your computer or cd player, and some software
>>>>> actually tracks
>>>>> this info and sends it back to the mothership, enabling marketing
>>>>> people to
>>>>> target content to you based on your listening habits. In Itunes,
>>>>> this is
>>>>> optional. (if you don't like it, don't turn on the Ministore.)
>>>>>
>>>>> If govt's have their way they'll know evertime you sneeze or
>>>>> take the
>>>>> lord's name in vein. So, be careful what you wish for. Best
>>>>> systems are
>>>>> based on some reasonable methods of tracking public performances
>>>>> (however
>>>>> that is defined), and some level of trust. Of course, there will
>>>>> always be
>>>>> performances that are missed. What you really want is for the data
>>>>> tha is
>>>>> tracked to be properly compensated and you want the methods and
>>>>> data to be
>>>>> public knowledge so the system is compensating people correctly.
>>>>>
>>>>> Joel
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>
>>>>> From: leshurdle <leshurdle at avradionet.com>
>>>>> Subj: Re: [Fmpro] Simple Hello
>>>>> Date: Sat May 5, 2007 7:04 am
>>>>> Size: 707 bytes
>>>>> To: fmpro at nxport.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 4, 2007, at 11:06 PM, Lynne T. Conte wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Article 14 of the Rome Convention set a minimum term for the
>>>>>> protection of
>>>>>> performers' rights of twenty years from the end of the year in
>>>>>> which the
>>>>>> performance was made: the TRIPS Agreement (Art. 14.5) has extended
>>>>>> this to
>>>>>> fifty years. In the European
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe the USA was not a signatory to the Rome convention?
>>>>>
>>>>> The real bottom line is how will YOU know when your clients work
>>>>> has
>>>>> been used?
>>>>>
>>>>> L
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Lynne T. Conte/Talent Manager
>>>> Conte's Networking Communications
>>>> 1-707-440-2900
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>>
>> --
>> Lynne T. Conte/Talent Manager
>> Conte's Networking Communications
>> 1-707-440-2900
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