[Fmpro] are loops ok to use?

[leshurdle]

I learned from one of the early 'users'........... Giorgio Moroder.

Very often had the drum loop on 1/4" running.

As an old session pro, I could also argue that some idiot who turns  
up and gives musicians a bunch of chords to then 'come up with a  
groove' is not a composer either... how about the hummers and whistlers?

C'mon Chris...........  I've heard your music, and it is very good,  
but you use computers !

Surely no self respecting 'composer' would use anything but a quill  
pen and parchment paper ;-)

A recent blow out at PRS was emnotionally based on the fact a  
'composer' wrote music which [one must assume] was turned into and  
used as loops which were then repeated over night..... generating a  
LOT of money for the composer.
'Composers' in the UK complained............ not one said they  
wouldn't write the music for a film if the employer wanted  
'loops'.... no matter what loops.

It is emotion which prevents US composers from being paid in the USA  
in a fair and equal manner since the Pres of ASCAP continues with the  
'quality' argument wherein song is 'best'...........  are songwriters  
bad if they repeat lyrics?

L

On May 29, 2007, at 5:52 PM, Chris Alpiar wrote:

> If you use sampled sounds that's cool, but if you are using 2 4 8  
> or more
> bar loops because you are too lazy to input the groove yourself and  
> actually
> compose it, that's not worthy of calling yourself anything more then a
> computer user, a dj, a music technologist, I wouldn't even have  
> balls to
> call myself a music programmer if that's how I wrote music
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com
> [mailto:fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com] On Behalf Of  
> leshurdle
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 7:34 PM
> To: onephatcat at earthlink.net; fmpro at nxport.com
> Subject: Re: [Fmpro] are loops ok to use?
>
> Gosh,
>
> I'm shamed and ashamed to dare to use technology which I paid for...
> even though the client wanted those sounds and the budget sucked.
>
> However, watermarking would have solved all the issues......... they
> didn't do it, fair game.
>
> L
>
> On May 29, 2007, at 4:03 PM, onephatcat at earthlink.net wrote:
>
>> I think the correct term for someone who's compositions are
>> predominantly loops should be "Compositor" because that is exactly
>> what they are doing, putting together a composite of sound
>> patterns. However, the reality is that many, if not most composers
>> are probably not capable of creating those fat crushed drum loop
>> sounds on their own, nor of actually playing nor easily afford to
>> hire someone who can play the ethnic hand percussion loops that are
>> overused these days, so lets cut some slack on the unpitched and
>> semi-pitched percussion loops, but if you use loops of discreet
>> pitched sound patterns, especially orchestra, shame shame shame.
>>
>> Joel
>>
>>
>>
>>> In my opinion you are no longer a composer if you do, more of a DJ
>>> But your ethics are up to you :) Legally I have no idea tho
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com
>>> [mailto:fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com] On Behalf Of
>>> girltunes
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 3:23 PM
>>> To: fmpro at nxport.com
>>> Subject: [Fmpro] are loops ok to use?
>>>
>>> I probably missed previous discussion of this...but is it ok to use
>>> stock loops in compositions - Logic and Garage Band come with
>>> banks of
>>> loops and I'm not sure whether they're ok to use or does one share
>>> credit with the unknown looper who created them?
>>>
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