[Fmpro] are loops ok to use?

Wed May 30 01:26:12 GMT 2007

Thank you for your compliments Les! I really appreciate it, and yes I do use
computers, and samples galore. I have over a terabite of samples ranging
from the Vienna symphonic library to hip hop samples from a small library.
But never any loops ever. If I write a loop based song I have a strong
enough ethic and desire for creative control to write the actual loop and
then use it. Maybe I am just crazy and wasting time that I could be
releasing stuff? But I write everything on score paper first, perform it on
the keyboard and computer using sampled sounds 2nd, compile the performance
into finale for making parts 3rd, and when it is possible live musicians
play it 4th. Maybe I am just unrealistic tho but I sure hope not

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com
[mailto:fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com] On Behalf Of leshurdle
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 9:08 PM
To: fmpro at nxport.com
Subject: Re: [Fmpro] are loops ok to use?

I learned from one of the early 'users'........... Giorgio Moroder.

Very often had the drum loop on 1/4" running.

As an old session pro, I could also argue that some idiot who turns  
up and gives musicians a bunch of chords to then 'come up with a  
groove' is not a composer either... how about the hummers and whistlers?

C'mon Chris...........  I've heard your music, and it is very good,  
but you use computers !

Surely no self respecting 'composer' would use anything but a quill  
pen and parchment paper ;-)

A recent blow out at PRS was emnotionally based on the fact a  
'composer' wrote music which [one must assume] was turned into and  
used as loops which were then repeated over night..... generating a  
LOT of money for the composer.
'Composers' in the UK complained............ not one said they  
wouldn't write the music for a film if the employer wanted  
'loops'.... no matter what loops.

It is emotion which prevents US composers from being paid in the USA  
in a fair and equal manner since the Pres of ASCAP continues with the  
'quality' argument wherein song is 'best'...........  are songwriters  
bad if they repeat lyrics?

L

On May 29, 2007, at 5:52 PM, Chris Alpiar wrote:

> If you use sampled sounds that's cool, but if you are using 2 4 8  
> or more
> bar loops because you are too lazy to input the groove yourself and  
> actually
> compose it, that's not worthy of calling yourself anything more then a
> computer user, a dj, a music technologist, I wouldn't even have  
> balls to
> call myself a music programmer if that's how I wrote music
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com
> [mailto:fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com] On Behalf Of  
> leshurdle
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 7:34 PM
> To: onephatcat at earthlink.net; fmpro at nxport.com
> Subject: Re: [Fmpro] are loops ok to use?
>
> Gosh,
>
> I'm shamed and ashamed to dare to use technology which I paid for...
> even though the client wanted those sounds and the budget sucked.
>
> However, watermarking would have solved all the issues......... they
> didn't do it, fair game.
>
> L
>
> On May 29, 2007, at 4:03 PM, onephatcat at earthlink.net wrote:
>
>> I think the correct term for someone who's compositions are
>> predominantly loops should be "Compositor" because that is exactly
>> what they are doing, putting together a composite of sound
>> patterns. However, the reality is that many, if not most composers
>> are probably not capable of creating those fat crushed drum loop
>> sounds on their own, nor of actually playing nor easily afford to
>> hire someone who can play the ethnic hand percussion loops that are
>> overused these days, so lets cut some slack on the unpitched and
>> semi-pitched percussion loops, but if you use loops of discreet
>> pitched sound patterns, especially orchestra, shame shame shame.
>>
>> Joel
>>
>>
>>
>>> In my opinion you are no longer a composer if you do, more of a DJ
>>> But your ethics are up to you :) Legally I have no idea tho
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com
>>> [mailto:fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com] On Behalf Of
>>> girltunes
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 3:23 PM
>>> To: fmpro at nxport.com
>>> Subject: [Fmpro] are loops ok to use?
>>>
>>> I probably missed previous discussion of this...but is it ok to use
>>> stock loops in compositions - Logic and Garage Band come with
>>> banks of
>>> loops and I'm not sure whether they're ok to use or does one share
>>> credit with the unknown looper who created them?
>>>
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