[Fmpro] are loops ok to use?

Wed May 30 01:40:13 GMT 2007

No, I don't think you to be unrealistic, but if the hip hop dudes can  
use loops and make money and get on the cover of the ASCAP Mag  
[;-)]..... who am I to argue.

Don't waste anymore time ;-)

L

On May 29, 2007, at 6:26 PM, Chris Alpiar wrote:

> Thank you for your compliments Les! I really appreciate it, and yes  
> I do use
> computers, and samples galore. I have over a terabite of samples  
> ranging
> from the Vienna symphonic library to hip hop samples from a small  
> library.
> But never any loops ever. If I write a loop based song I have a strong
> enough ethic and desire for creative control to write the actual  
> loop and
> then use it. Maybe I am just crazy and wasting time that I could be
> releasing stuff? But I write everything on score paper first,  
> perform it on
> the keyboard and computer using sampled sounds 2nd, compile the  
> performance
> into finale for making parts 3rd, and when it is possible live  
> musicians
> play it 4th. Maybe I am just unrealistic tho but I sure hope not
>
> Chris
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com
> [mailto:fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com] On Behalf Of  
> leshurdle
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 9:08 PM
> To: fmpro at nxport.com
> Subject: Re: [Fmpro] are loops ok to use?
>
> I learned from one of the early 'users'........... Giorgio Moroder.
>
> Very often had the drum loop on 1/4" running.
>
> As an old session pro, I could also argue that some idiot who turns
> up and gives musicians a bunch of chords to then 'come up with a
> groove' is not a composer either... how about the hummers and  
> whistlers?
>
> C'mon Chris...........  I've heard your music, and it is very good,
> but you use computers !
>
> Surely no self respecting 'composer' would use anything but a quill
> pen and parchment paper ;-)
>
> A recent blow out at PRS was emnotionally based on the fact a
> 'composer' wrote music which [one must assume] was turned into and
> used as loops which were then repeated over night..... generating a
> LOT of money for the composer.
> 'Composers' in the UK complained............ not one said they
> wouldn't write the music for a film if the employer wanted
> 'loops'.... no matter what loops.
>
> It is emotion which prevents US composers from being paid in the USA
> in a fair and equal manner since the Pres of ASCAP continues with the
> 'quality' argument wherein song is 'best'...........  are songwriters
> bad if they repeat lyrics?
>
> L
>
> On May 29, 2007, at 5:52 PM, Chris Alpiar wrote:
>
>> If you use sampled sounds that's cool, but if you are using 2 4 8
>> or more
>> bar loops because you are too lazy to input the groove yourself and
>> actually
>> compose it, that's not worthy of calling yourself anything more  
>> then a
>> computer user, a dj, a music technologist, I wouldn't even have
>> balls to
>> call myself a music programmer if that's how I wrote music
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com
>> [mailto:fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com] On Behalf Of
>> leshurdle
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 7:34 PM
>> To: onephatcat at earthlink.net; fmpro at nxport.com
>> Subject: Re: [Fmpro] are loops ok to use?
>>
>> Gosh,
>>
>> I'm shamed and ashamed to dare to use technology which I paid for...
>> even though the client wanted those sounds and the budget sucked.
>>
>> However, watermarking would have solved all the issues......... they
>> didn't do it, fair game.
>>
>> L
>>
>> On May 29, 2007, at 4:03 PM, onephatcat at earthlink.net wrote:
>>
>>> I think the correct term for someone who's compositions are
>>> predominantly loops should be "Compositor" because that is exactly
>>> what they are doing, putting together a composite of sound
>>> patterns. However, the reality is that many, if not most composers
>>> are probably not capable of creating those fat crushed drum loop
>>> sounds on their own, nor of actually playing nor easily afford to
>>> hire someone who can play the ethnic hand percussion loops that are
>>> overused these days, so lets cut some slack on the unpitched and
>>> semi-pitched percussion loops, but if you use loops of discreet
>>> pitched sound patterns, especially orchestra, shame shame shame.
>>>
>>> Joel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> In my opinion you are no longer a composer if you do, more of a DJ
>>>> But your ethics are up to you :) Legally I have no idea tho
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com
>>>> [mailto:fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com] On Behalf Of
>>>> girltunes
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 3:23 PM
>>>> To: fmpro at nxport.com
>>>> Subject: [Fmpro] are loops ok to use?
>>>>
>>>> I probably missed previous discussion of this...but is it ok to use
>>>> stock loops in compositions - Logic and Garage Band come with
>>>> banks of
>>>> loops and I'm not sure whether they're ok to use or does one share
>>>> credit with the unknown looper who created them?
>>>>
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