[Fmpro] are loops ok to use?

[Chris Alpiar]

Im probably the very last of the generation that was trained in analog
recording (am 39) and tho I have not pursued audio engineering past making
my own stuff work, I remember making loops with 1/4 inch tape and pounding a
pencil into the wall and using it to push or pull on the tape to change
tempo heheh, once in a while with a cool result

-----Original Message-----
From: fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com
[mailto:fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com] On Behalf Of
onephatcat at earthlink.net
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 9:33 PM
To: fmpro at nxport.com
Subject: Re: [Fmpro] are loops ok to use?

How did they get tape loops to sync to the beat in those days? I know there
was that one guy (was it Mack the Knife?)who could do pretty much anything
with a razor blade and magnetic tape...

What loops offer is the ability to slice a rhythm into individual beats and
play them at any speed, which also creates imperfections that make signature
sounds you can't easily get any other way. You could probaby do that with a
razor blade too, come to think of it. Is there anything you can do with a
computer you couldn't do with tape? Change pitch without changing tempo &
vice versa? Yeah, you could do it with tape to, if you had time and
patience.

Joel

-----Original Message-----
>From: Tracey Larvenz <tlarvenz at gmail.com>
>Sent: May 29, 2007 6:19 PM
>To: fmpro at nxport.com
>Subject: Re: [Fmpro] are loops ok to use?
>
>Didn't George throw in all the tape loops?
>
>Tracey Larvenz
>www.melodiousthunk.net
>
>
>
>On May 29, 2007, at 6:17 PM, Chris Alpiar wrote:
>
>> Yea they were songwriters not composers that's exactly why they had  
>> George
>> Martin
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com
>> [mailto:fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com] On Behalf Of Tracey
>> Larvenz
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 9:10 PM
>> To: fmpro at nxport.com
>> Subject: Re: [Fmpro] are loops ok to use?
>>
>> I guess the Beatles were dodgy composers too.
>>
>> Tracey Larvenz
>> www.melodiousthunk.net
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 29, 2007, at 5:52 PM, Chris Alpiar wrote:
>>
>>> If you use sampled sounds that's cool, but if you are using 2 4 8
>>> or more
>>> bar loops because you are too lazy to input the groove yourself and
>>> actually
>>> compose it, that's not worthy of calling yourself anything more  
>>> then a
>>> computer user, a dj, a music technologist, I wouldn't even have
>>> balls to
>>> call myself a music programmer if that's how I wrote music
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com
>>> [mailto:fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com] On Behalf Of
>>> leshurdle
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 7:34 PM
>>> To: onephatcat at earthlink.net; fmpro at nxport.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Fmpro] are loops ok to use?
>>>
>>> Gosh,
>>>
>>> I'm shamed and ashamed to dare to use technology which I paid for...
>>> even though the client wanted those sounds and the budget sucked.
>>>
>>> However, watermarking would have solved all the issues......... they
>>> didn't do it, fair game.
>>>
>>> L
>>>
>>> On May 29, 2007, at 4:03 PM, onephatcat at earthlink.net wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think the correct term for someone who's compositions are
>>>> predominantly loops should be "Compositor" because that is exactly
>>>> what they are doing, putting together a composite of sound
>>>> patterns. However, the reality is that many, if not most composers
>>>> are probably not capable of creating those fat crushed drum loop
>>>> sounds on their own, nor of actually playing nor easily afford to
>>>> hire someone who can play the ethnic hand percussion loops that are
>>>> overused these days, so lets cut some slack on the unpitched and
>>>> semi-pitched percussion loops, but if you use loops of discreet
>>>> pitched sound patterns, especially orchestra, shame shame shame.
>>>>
>>>> Joel
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> In my opinion you are no longer a composer if you do, more of a DJ
>>>>> But your ethics are up to you :) Legally I have no idea tho
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com
>>>>> [mailto:fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com] On Behalf Of
>>>>> girltunes
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 3:23 PM
>>>>> To: fmpro at nxport.com
>>>>> Subject: [Fmpro] are loops ok to use?
>>>>>
>>>>> I probably missed previous discussion of this...but is it ok to use
>>>>> stock loops in compositions - Logic and Garage Band come with
>>>>> banks of
>>>>> loops and I'm not sure whether they're ok to use or does one share
>>>>> credit with the unknown looper who created them?
>>>>>
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