[Fmpro] are loops ok to use?

Wed May 30 01:50:09 GMT 2007

I'll bet the audio phillibies would have a fit !

L

On May 29, 2007, at 6:45 PM, Chris Alpiar wrote:

> Im probably the very last of the generation that was trained in analog
> recording (am 39) and tho I have not pursued audio engineering past  
> making
> my own stuff work, I remember making loops with 1/4 inch tape and  
> pounding a
> pencil into the wall and using it to push or pull on the tape to  
> change
> tempo heheh, once in a while with a cool result
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com
> [mailto:fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com] On Behalf Of
> onephatcat at earthlink.net
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 9:33 PM
> To: fmpro at nxport.com
> Subject: Re: [Fmpro] are loops ok to use?
>
> How did they get tape loops to sync to the beat in those days? I  
> know there
> was that one guy (was it Mack the Knife?)who could do pretty much  
> anything
> with a razor blade and magnetic tape...
>
> What loops offer is the ability to slice a rhythm into individual  
> beats and
> play them at any speed, which also creates imperfections that make  
> signature
> sounds you can't easily get any other way. You could probaby do  
> that with a
> razor blade too, come to think of it. Is there anything you can do  
> with a
> computer you couldn't do with tape? Change pitch without changing  
> tempo &
> vice versa? Yeah, you could do it with tape to, if you had time and
> patience.
>
> Joel
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tracey Larvenz <tlarvenz at gmail.com>
>> Sent: May 29, 2007 6:19 PM
>> To: fmpro at nxport.com
>> Subject: Re: [Fmpro] are loops ok to use?
>>
>> Didn't George throw in all the tape loops?
>>
>> Tracey Larvenz
>> www.melodiousthunk.net
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 29, 2007, at 6:17 PM, Chris Alpiar wrote:
>>
>>> Yea they were songwriters not composers that's exactly why they had
>>> George
>>> Martin
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com
>>> [mailto:fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com] On Behalf Of  
>>> Tracey
>>> Larvenz
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 9:10 PM
>>> To: fmpro at nxport.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Fmpro] are loops ok to use?
>>>
>>> I guess the Beatles were dodgy composers too.
>>>
>>> Tracey Larvenz
>>> www.melodiousthunk.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 29, 2007, at 5:52 PM, Chris Alpiar wrote:
>>>
>>>> If you use sampled sounds that's cool, but if you are using 2 4 8
>>>> or more
>>>> bar loops because you are too lazy to input the groove yourself and
>>>> actually
>>>> compose it, that's not worthy of calling yourself anything more
>>>> then a
>>>> computer user, a dj, a music technologist, I wouldn't even have
>>>> balls to
>>>> call myself a music programmer if that's how I wrote music
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com
>>>> [mailto:fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com] On Behalf Of
>>>> leshurdle
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 7:34 PM
>>>> To: onephatcat at earthlink.net; fmpro at nxport.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [Fmpro] are loops ok to use?
>>>>
>>>> Gosh,
>>>>
>>>> I'm shamed and ashamed to dare to use technology which I paid  
>>>> for...
>>>> even though the client wanted those sounds and the budget sucked.
>>>>
>>>> However, watermarking would have solved all the issues.........  
>>>> they
>>>> didn't do it, fair game.
>>>>
>>>> L
>>>>
>>>> On May 29, 2007, at 4:03 PM, onephatcat at earthlink.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think the correct term for someone who's compositions are
>>>>> predominantly loops should be "Compositor" because that is exactly
>>>>> what they are doing, putting together a composite of sound
>>>>> patterns. However, the reality is that many, if not most composers
>>>>> are probably not capable of creating those fat crushed drum loop
>>>>> sounds on their own, nor of actually playing nor easily afford to
>>>>> hire someone who can play the ethnic hand percussion loops that  
>>>>> are
>>>>> overused these days, so lets cut some slack on the unpitched and
>>>>> semi-pitched percussion loops, but if you use loops of discreet
>>>>> pitched sound patterns, especially orchestra, shame shame shame.
>>>>>
>>>>> Joel
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> In my opinion you are no longer a composer if you do, more of  
>>>>>> a DJ
>>>>>> But your ethics are up to you :) Legally I have no idea tho
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com
>>>>>> [mailto:fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com] On Behalf Of
>>>>>> girltunes
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 3:23 PM
>>>>>> To: fmpro at nxport.com
>>>>>> Subject: [Fmpro] are loops ok to use?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I probably missed previous discussion of this...but is it ok  
>>>>>> to use
>>>>>> stock loops in compositions - Logic and Garage Band come with
>>>>>> banks of
>>>>>> loops and I'm not sure whether they're ok to use or does one  
>>>>>> share
>>>>>> credit with the unknown looper who created them?
>>>>>>
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