[Fmpro] One step further.......scab?

[Chris Alpiar]

How specifically were you lied to by the UK Musicians Union?

I am not saying that the current unions work for everyone, anymore then
Mark's ideals worked in the Soviet Union, but it’s the IDEALS we must stand
by and demand or else we just contribute to the continued spiral down. In
every EVERY organization corruption is an inherant aspect. I don’t like to
hear you were ripped off, but saying FU to the whole thing and supporting
anarchy will not get you anything either

> Dozens of jobs these days for a rock production......  the 
> band, the sidemen, the video folk, the sound crew, the 
> catering crew, makeup, the guys who travel . riggers/drivers 
> etc...... the folks who sell concessions, the folks who sell 
> the tickets, the folks who print the tickets, the folks who 
> clean the auditorium etc etc..... I'm sure you get my point.

Umm if you ever EVER find a rock concert that hires anyone from out of town
much less out of country for anything other then the band and its entourage
please tell me I will come take pictures lol
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com 
> [mailto:fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com] On Behalf 
> Of leshurdle
> Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 6:39 PM
> To: fmpro at nxport.com
> Subject: Re: [Fmpro] One step further.......scab?
> 
> Hi Chris,
> 
> Taking some of your words.
> On Sep 8, 2007, at 2:25 PM, Chris Alpiar wrote:
> 
> > A film production is very very different from a rock band 
> les, it isnt 
> > realistic to compare them. We are talking about hundreds of 
> jobs for 
> > one film.
> 
> Dozens of jobs these days for a rock production......  the 
> band, the sidemen, the video folk, the sound crew, the 
> catering crew, makeup, the guys who travel . riggers/drivers 
> etc...... the folks who sell concessions, the folks who sell 
> the tickets, the folks who print the tickets, the folks who 
> clean the auditorium etc etc..... I'm sure you get my point.
> 
> NOW, you are not wrong in wanting to keep work in the US and 
> have benefits, but let me tell you, UNIONS... ha... the UK 
> Musician Union ripped people like me, Vic Flick. even James 
> Ryan for MILLIONS of £pounds.... EACH !!!!!!!!!!!
> We have no benefits, no pension etc etc... we were lied to.
> 
> So, I do understand your position and your plea.... it is 
> very similar, as I told you weeks ago, to the position some 
> of us took with the PRO's via the AACO......... I 
> learned............. 'we' are not in control and don't ever 
> think 'you' are.
> 
> Sorry old chum.........
> 
> Do you have any idea how many US/UK musicians travel to China 
> every year to 'teach'?
> 
> They will learn fast.... they will soon be the next 'cheap' 
> place to get an orchestra.... why....... BIG money wants it 
> that way........  
> why do you think Haliberton is going to Asia [a bit of a 
> stretch, but sim application].
> 
> Les
> 
> > Unions in US and UK set up realistic pay scales for the artists and
> > musicians to be able to expect a decent way of life and persue  
> > their art.
> > That machine has in the past, and hopefully will find a way 
> to in the
> > future, been a source of legal protection, life benefits, retirement
> > options, rights that we agreed that every American is deserving of.
> 
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