[Fmpro] One step further.......scab?

[Chris Alpiar]

Mark's = Marx's sorry

> -----Original Message-----
> From: fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com 
> [mailto:fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com] On Behalf 
> Of Chris Alpiar
> Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 6:51 PM
> To: fmpro at nxport.com
> Subject: Re: [Fmpro] One step further.......scab?
> 
> How specifically were you lied to by the UK Musicians Union?
> 
> I am not saying that the current unions work for everyone, 
> anymore then Mark's ideals worked in the Soviet Union, but 
> it’s the IDEALS we must stand by and demand or else we just 
> contribute to the continued spiral down. In every EVERY 
> organization corruption is an inherant aspect. I don’t like 
> to hear you were ripped off, but saying FU to the whole thing 
> and supporting anarchy will not get you anything either
> 
> > Dozens of jobs these days for a rock production......  the 
> band, the 
> > sidemen, the video folk, the sound crew, the catering crew, makeup, 
> > the guys who travel . riggers/drivers etc...... the folks who sell 
> > concessions, the folks who sell the tickets, the folks who 
> print the 
> > tickets, the folks who clean the auditorium etc etc..... 
> I'm sure you 
> > get my point.
> 
> Umm if you ever EVER find a rock concert that hires anyone 
> from out of town much less out of country for anything other 
> then the band and its entourage please tell me I will come 
> take pictures lol
>  
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com
> > [mailto:fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com] On Behalf Of 
> > leshurdle
> > Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 6:39 PM
> > To: fmpro at nxport.com
> > Subject: Re: [Fmpro] One step further.......scab?
> > 
> > Hi Chris,
> > 
> > Taking some of your words.
> > On Sep 8, 2007, at 2:25 PM, Chris Alpiar wrote:
> > 
> > > A film production is very very different from a rock band
> > les, it isnt
> > > realistic to compare them. We are talking about hundreds of
> > jobs for
> > > one film.
> > 
> > Dozens of jobs these days for a rock production......  the 
> band, the 
> > sidemen, the video folk, the sound crew, the catering crew, makeup, 
> > the guys who travel . riggers/drivers etc...... the folks who sell 
> > concessions, the folks who sell the tickets, the folks who 
> print the 
> > tickets, the folks who clean the auditorium etc etc..... 
> I'm sure you 
> > get my point.
> > 
> > NOW, you are not wrong in wanting to keep work in the US and have 
> > benefits, but let me tell you, UNIONS... ha... the UK 
> Musician Union 
> > ripped people like me, Vic Flick. even James Ryan for MILLIONS of 
> > £pounds.... EACH !!!!!!!!!!!
> > We have no benefits, no pension etc etc... we were lied to.
> > 
> > So, I do understand your position and your plea.... it is very 
> > similar, as I told you weeks ago, to the position some of 
> us took with 
> > the PRO's via the AACO......... I learned............. 'we' 
> are not in 
> > control and don't ever think 'you' are.
> > 
> > Sorry old chum.........
> > 
> > Do you have any idea how many US/UK musicians travel to China every 
> > year to 'teach'?
> > 
> > They will learn fast.... they will soon be the next 'cheap' 
> > place to get an orchestra.... why....... BIG money wants it that 
> > way........
> > why do you think Haliberton is going to Asia [a bit of a 
> stretch, but 
> > sim application].
> > 
> > Les
> > 
> > > Unions in US and UK set up realistic pay scales for the 
> artists and 
> > > musicians to be able to expect a decent way of life and 
> persue their 
> > > art.
> > > That machine has in the past, and hopefully will find a way
> > to in the
> > > future, been a source of legal protection, life benefits, 
> retirement 
> > > options, rights that we agreed that every American is 
> deserving of.
> > 
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