[Fmpro] Hype.......One step further.......scab?

[leshurdle]

Hi Chris,

Let me see ............

On Sep 8, 2007, at 3:50 PM, Chris Alpiar wrote:

> How specifically were you lied to by the UK Musicians Union?

It would take pages, but in a nutshell........... performers right  
money was paid 'for' performers in the UK since 1945... this was for  
broadcasts.  The union  refused to pay session men by using the  
language of the deal to include 'everyone'.
In fact 'everyone did benefit from the payment..............  Many  
MILLIONS of pounds......... except those musicians who it was  
intended for... studio guys.

Zippo for us... but I understand, like all wimpy staff, the staff are  
very well covered.

Today, even though UK guys now get paid ... er hum !!....... US  
musicians do not get paid via UK performers rights, hence, the AFM/ 
Aftra have declared they will not pay UK guys..............  where  
does one start?
>
> I am not saying that the current unions work for everyone, anymore  
> then
> Mark's ideals worked in the Soviet Union, but it’s the IDEALS we  
> must stand
> by and demand or else we just contribute to the continued spiral down.

In recent history it started when the jerks on this list began to  
give away their mechanical rights for a few bucks up front thereby  
causing great stress to those who wanted to maintain rights and IDEALS.

So let's get real... it is our own who cause the downward spiral.
> In
> every EVERY organization corruption is an inherant aspect. I don’t  
> like to
> hear you were ripped off, but saying FU to the whole thing and  
> supporting
> anarchy will not get you anything either

Sadly, I wish I could have joined the throng who worked for cash  
today, screw tomorrow.
I stood by 'right' and it got me nowhere.
>
>> Dozens of jobs these days for a rock production......  the
>> band, the sidemen, the video folk, the sound crew, the
>> catering crew, makeup, the guys who travel . riggers/drivers
>> etc...... the folks who sell concessions, the folks who sell
>> the tickets, the folks who print the tickets, the folks who
>> clean the auditorium etc etc..... I'm sure you get my point.
>
> Umm if you ever EVER find a rock concert that hires anyone from out  
> of town
> much less out of country for anything other then the band and its  
> entourage
> please tell me I will come take pictures lol

Concessions, printers, DJ's & radio airplay to promote etc etc.

The real point is Chris... those with the power to 'hype' will do  
whatever they want and film is just another hype.

L

>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com
>> [mailto:fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com] On Behalf
>> Of leshurdle
>> Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 6:39 PM
>> To: fmpro at nxport.com
>> Subject: Re: [Fmpro] One step further.......scab?
>>
>> Hi Chris,
>>
>> Taking some of your words.
>> On Sep 8, 2007, at 2:25 PM, Chris Alpiar wrote:
>>
>>> A film production is very very different from a rock band
>> les, it isnt
>>> realistic to compare them. We are talking about hundreds of
>> jobs for
>>> one film.
>>
>> Dozens of jobs these days for a rock production......  the
>> band, the sidemen, the video folk, the sound crew, the
>> catering crew, makeup, the guys who travel . riggers/drivers
>> etc...... the folks who sell concessions, the folks who sell
>> the tickets, the folks who print the tickets, the folks who
>> clean the auditorium etc etc..... I'm sure you get my point.
>>
>> NOW, you are not wrong in wanting to keep work in the US and
>> have benefits, but let me tell you, UNIONS... ha... the UK
>> Musician Union ripped people like me, Vic Flick. even James
>> Ryan for MILLIONS of £pounds.... EACH !!!!!!!!!!!
>> We have no benefits, no pension etc etc... we were lied to.
>>
>> So, I do understand your position and your plea.... it is
>> very similar, as I told you weeks ago, to the position some
>> of us took with the PRO's via the AACO......... I
>> learned............. 'we' are not in control and don't ever
>> think 'you' are.
>>
>> Sorry old chum.........
>>
>> Do you have any idea how many US/UK musicians travel to China
>> every year to 'teach'?
>>
>> They will learn fast.... they will soon be the next 'cheap'
>> place to get an orchestra.... why....... BIG money wants it
>> that way........
>> why do you think Haliberton is going to Asia [a bit of a
>> stretch, but sim application].
>>
>> Les
>>
>>> Unions in US and UK set up realistic pay scales for the artists and
>>> musicians to be able to expect a decent way of life and persue
>>> their art.
>>> That machine has in the past, and hopefully will find a way
>> to in the
>>> future, been a source of legal protection, life benefits, retirement
>>> options, rights that we agreed that every American is deserving of.
>>
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