[Fmpro] Fair Price

Sun Sep 9 16:26:50 GMT 2007

Hi Chris

If there should be equality of 'pay' for musicians how about the same  
thing for composers ?

E.G.........

1	A minimum of X $$'s per cue
2	A minimum of X $$'s per sync fee

What does anyone/everyone think those numbers should be...... and  
given the Library Music game...... how can one insure the sub-pubs  
etc will adhere to the minimums in a blanket license agreement.

If this list isn't able to come up with a $$ amount and ALL of the  
composers here guarantee to STICK TO THE AMOUNT  then why trouble  
ourselves with what happens overseas?

L

On Sep 8, 2007, at 4:11 PM, leshurdle wrote:

> Hi Chris,
>
> Let me see ............
>
> On Sep 8, 2007, at 3:50 PM, Chris Alpiar wrote:
>
>> How specifically were you lied to by the UK Musicians Union?
>
> It would take pages, but in a nutshell........... performers right
> money was paid 'for' performers in the UK since 1945... this was for
> broadcasts.  The union  refused to pay session men by using the
> language of the deal to include 'everyone'.
> In fact 'everyone did benefit from the payment..............  Many
> MILLIONS of pounds......... except those musicians who it was
> intended for... studio guys.
>
> Zippo for us... but I understand, like all wimpy staff, the staff are
> very well covered.
>
> Today, even though UK guys now get paid ... er hum !!....... US
> musicians do not get paid via UK performers rights, hence, the AFM/
> Aftra have declared they will not pay UK guys..............  where
> does one start?
>>
>> I am not saying that the current unions work for everyone, anymore
>> then
>> Mark's ideals worked in the Soviet Union, but it’s the IDEALS we
>> must stand
>> by and demand or else we just contribute to the continued spiral  
>> down.
>
> In recent history it started when the jerks on this list began to
> give away their mechanical rights for a few bucks up front thereby
> causing great stress to those who wanted to maintain rights and  
> IDEALS.
>
> So let's get real... it is our own who cause the downward spiral.
>> In
>> every EVERY organization corruption is an inherant aspect. I don’t
>> like to
>> hear you were ripped off, but saying FU to the whole thing and
>> supporting
>> anarchy will not get you anything either
>
> Sadly, I wish I could have joined the throng who worked for cash
> today, screw tomorrow.
> I stood by 'right' and it got me nowhere.
>>
>>> Dozens of jobs these days for a rock production......  the
>>> band, the sidemen, the video folk, the sound crew, the
>>> catering crew, makeup, the guys who travel . riggers/drivers
>>> etc...... the folks who sell concessions, the folks who sell
>>> the tickets, the folks who print the tickets, the folks who
>>> clean the auditorium etc etc..... I'm sure you get my point.
>>
>> Umm if you ever EVER find a rock concert that hires anyone from out
>> of town
>> much less out of country for anything other then the band and its
>> entourage
>> please tell me I will come take pictures lol
>
> Concessions, printers, DJ's & radio airplay to promote etc etc.
>
> The real point is Chris... those with the power to 'hype' will do
> whatever they want and film is just another hype.
>
> L
>
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com
>>> [mailto:fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com] On Behalf
>>> Of leshurdle
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 6:39 PM
>>> To: fmpro at nxport.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Fmpro] One step further.......scab?
>>>
>>> Hi Chris,
>>>
>>> Taking some of your words.
>>> On Sep 8, 2007, at 2:25 PM, Chris Alpiar wrote:
>>>
>>>> A film production is very very different from a rock band
>>> les, it isnt
>>>> realistic to compare them. We are talking about hundreds of
>>> jobs for
>>>> one film.
>>>
>>> Dozens of jobs these days for a rock production......  the
>>> band, the sidemen, the video folk, the sound crew, the
>>> catering crew, makeup, the guys who travel . riggers/drivers
>>> etc...... the folks who sell concessions, the folks who sell
>>> the tickets, the folks who print the tickets, the folks who
>>> clean the auditorium etc etc..... I'm sure you get my point.
>>>
>>> NOW, you are not wrong in wanting to keep work in the US and
>>> have benefits, but let me tell you, UNIONS... ha... the UK
>>> Musician Union ripped people like me, Vic Flick. even James
>>> Ryan for MILLIONS of £pounds.... EACH !!!!!!!!!!!
>>> We have no benefits, no pension etc etc... we were lied to.
>>>
>>> So, I do understand your position and your plea.... it is
>>> very similar, as I told you weeks ago, to the position some
>>> of us took with the PRO's via the AACO......... I
>>> learned............. 'we' are not in control and don't ever
>>> think 'you' are.
>>>
>>> Sorry old chum.........
>>>
>>> Do you have any idea how many US/UK musicians travel to China
>>> every year to 'teach'?
>>>
>>> They will learn fast.... they will soon be the next 'cheap'
>>> place to get an orchestra.... why....... BIG money wants it
>>> that way........
>>> why do you think Haliberton is going to Asia [a bit of a
>>> stretch, but sim application].
>>>
>>> Les
>>>
>>>> Unions in US and UK set up realistic pay scales for the artists and
>>>> musicians to be able to expect a decent way of life and persue
>>>> their art.
>>>> That machine has in the past, and hopefully will find a way
>>> to in the
>>>> future, been a source of legal protection, life benefits,  
>>>> retirement
>>>> options, rights that we agreed that every American is deserving of.
>>>
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