[Fmpro] California Dreamin

[Chris Alpiar]

The reason you failed, I do believe, is that you are not a professional
negotiator. You have no skill in lobbying. And you had no union to go to
that would take up the case. You can make a 10 year study and document it
but unless you come in from a stance of power, you are nothing and yea of
course they are going to take the dossier and then laugh once you are gone.
It was very noble and you persued what you deserved. But you did not have
the knowledge or tools or power to negotiate. That's the whole point of this
discussion, create a power that is to be reckoned with and then pursue those
issues!

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[mailto:fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com] On Behalf Of leshurdle
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 12:29 PM
To: fmpro at nxport.com
Subject: Re: [Fmpro] California Dreamin

The problem Louis is they do know.

Writers had been telling to DOJ for years, including DW.

When I gave the DOJ the AACO dossier,  they appeared to be aghast,  
they nodded, they said they would investigate etc etc.
Only then did 'we' learn they lied, they had signed of on AFJ2 with  
ASCAP 3o days prior.

We are faced, at every level, with salaried asses whose sole concern  
is their check... no matter what color of 'smooth and we art there  
for you' they use.

What I am waiting to see .. re Chris' suggestions.......... is for  
him or others to actually buy a plane ticket, go to NY and do what  
they say they will do.

Go and present the case to Doug Wood or John Lofrumento and report  
fully.

Regardless..... anyone .. where is the competition between the 3 US  
PRO's......   how do they compete?

L


On Sep 15, 2007, at 9:14 AM, Louis King wrote:

> the key to my statement was "on your side" .... clearly the DOJ had/
> has no real clue as to what the problems are with PRO's and until you
> get someone there that understands and CARES you're screwed.
>
> I'm well aware Les .... I'm merely pointing out how changing the
> methods and practices that this list wants changed are about as tough
> as it gets ....
>
>
> On Sep 15, 2007, at 12:08 PM, leshurdle wrote:
>
>>
>> On Sep 15, 2007, at 7:45 AM, Louis King wrote:
>>
>>> You will
>>> only change the PRO's by getting a government agency that would have
>>> oversight and jurisdiction to be on your side,
>>
>> As I've explained many times........... the DOJ lied to us re AFJ2,
>> Orin Hatch got his songs published *  then the 'Fairness in Licensing
>> Bill' went through which cost US PRO's around $100M per
>> year...........  The Gov are only interested in one simple fact;
>>
>> Competition.
>>
>> I asked the DOJ lawyers to explain what the competition between US
>> PRO's was........ they had no answer.... does anyone on this list?
>>
>> L
>>
>> *  Orin Hatch.. after he had hi songs published and recorded received
>> a cheque from ASCAP and gave an address at at ASCAP Gen
>> Meeting.......... his wors ring in my ears  'hang in there, and
>> you'll get a big cheque, just like me'.
>> The groans from the audience told the story.
>>
>> Those in 'power' have no idea.
>>
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