[Fmpro] Poop......... instead of 'turd'
Rick Blanc
pazuni at sbcglobal.net
Mon Sep 17 00:04:20 GMT 2007
Les,
Uh-oh. Big misunderstanding! I assure you I was most certainly NOT calling you anything. The point I was trying to make was that Chris (Alpiar) by beating this thing to death, was engaged in an activity analogous to polishing a turd: a futile ridiculous exercise. Sorry Les, I'll try to be more precise in the future.
Rick
----- Original Message -----
From: leshurdle
To: Rick Blanc ; fmpro at nxport.com
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 4:07 PM
Subject: Poop......... instead of 'turd'
Hi Rick
I've been called many things, but never a turd ;-)
Or maybe there is some connotation in your text which, as a new
American, escapes me ;-(
Here's something for Chris........... during the time of the AACO I
was asked by the CEO of PRS to go and work for them as their US
Rep**. [since I had stirred the pot in the USA]............ oh boy,
could I have used the salary [since I was headed for a BK] which was
by no means small, but that would have meant being a mercenary and
giving up the fight.
I decided to stick it out with my 'fellows'............ they sure
paid me back !
L
** I'm sure those PRO staffers who read this list will be pleased to
know I didn't take the job since I would have made life hell for many.
On Sep 16, 2007, at 10:38 AM, Rick Blanc wrote:
> Chris,
>
> Have you ever tried to polish a turd?
>
> RB
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Chris Alpiar
> To: fmpro at nxport.com
> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 10:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fmpro] Mr Alpair
>
>
> Oops thought that was private to les :) well its ok I didn't say
> to him
> personally what I wouldn't want to say in list. What I am truly
> amazed at is
> how negative you are Les and how you don't want to find change
> anymore. Fron
> how you post to ideas of change it almost feels like you are on
> the payroll
> now... scary thought. You aren't taking money from ASCAP or RIAA
> or someone
> to derail movement forward right?
>
>> Well as far as THIS thread is concerned he has no desire for change
>> and has
>> contributed zero to this particular thought.
>
> When you come up with an original thought and a plan, you bet
> I'll be
> desirous to see it through.
>
> CHRIS: The plan MUST come from everyone, that is what the
> freaking thread
> was about, to try and start a plan
>
>> The only thing he has done is
>> to derail the positive suggestions we were FINALLY getting to after
>> a week
>> of debate.
>
> Just telling like it really is... without dreaming.......
>
> CHRIS: dreaming is the way to creating. It's the first steps on a
> long path.
> You obviously aren't dreaming enough, or your dreams are naught but
> nightmares.
>
>> I have deep respect for Les and I don't doubt he has tried to
>> help in his own way a number of times over the years. But as far as
>> this
>> thread, this idea, well read unbiased and you should be able to see
>> there is
>> nothing other then his desire to tear apart any movement forward we
>> were
>> making here.
>
> B/S... just trying to stop you from wasting your time on true tried
> and tested failures.
>
> CHRIS: Wasting my time??????? Bull, you just want to have
> everyone fail so
> you can go TOLD YA! Your psychology is obvious and rather
> shallow. MAN I am
> so sorry you have been hurt. And I am even sorrier you have been
> shut down
> and owned when you attempted to get results/change. But don't
> hate so much
> that it's killing everyone on your side as well
>
>> I was asking people to dream with me and say what they wanted
>> from an ideal situation, as one way to do the very beginnings of
>> organizing
>> thoughts and creating goals collectively. And his only response was
>> everything in the world was tried already and there is no use and
>> why don't
>> I personally buy a ticket to NY and confront these people in the
>> same manner
>> as his failed attempts.
>
> Nope, I said go to NY and talk to the top people, how you do it and
> what you would do and say is up to you.
> However, you are not prepared to step up and take control..........
> even Mr Merritt found it difficult.
>
> Why not ask 50 people on this list to go with you............ how
> many are willing....... please post.
>
> CHRIS: THAT'S NOT HOW YOU DO IT lol, this isn't hippies
> protesting the WTO.
> We need unity and an organization first with money in its
> pockets, then you
> go in strong and kick some ass.
>
>> Sorry Vic but that is not the way, we already know
>> it doesn't work, thanks to Les.
>
> Hold on.. that's an insult buddy.
>
> It didn't work because composers were to darn lazy or scared to get
> involved.
> Thank your fellows not me.
>
> CHRIS: no it didn't work because you aren't a good lobbyist. You
> have
> phenomenal energy and your anger could be SOOOOO productive to
> the cause.
> But since you won't use it in a positive manner to help us,
> please don't
> bother to post on my threads man, you are just pushing us all
> back 5 steps
>
>> I know he is your buddy for a long time, and
>> I think he is a great guy whose anger helps to bring to light lots of
>> situations.
>
> In my email to you I explain how I am not angry but amused watching
> you all go down the same path we did............ come up with
> something new.
>
> CHRIS: DON'T GIVE UP but instead try to learn from your failures
> and try
> again. If you give up it is the end. Just go lie down in a grave
> because you
> are already dead
>
>> This thread however he is out of line and has destroyed the
>> momentum that I worked so hard to get started on.
>
> Oh crap................ if I have destroyed it, then believe me,
> you
> have no chance when you get up against the big money, where is the
> backbone?
>
> CHRIS: I'm not going anyplace, nor do I fear the "big money", but
> you are
> supposed to be on our side and not against it. And I am most
> definitely not
> the one that should confront the "big money". I am in no way a
> leader with
> anything other then my words and mind and desire for our
> wellbeing. When we
> have a collective plan, which starts with collective dreams, then
> we can
> work on the collective organization and where the collective
> money comes
> from so we can collectively beat us some RIAA, ascap, doj, bill
> gates,
> whoever's butts. So how about hanging tight and being part of the
> movement
> forward again instead of throwing Molotov cocktails at those
> trying to build
> up some momentum?
>
>> Let's drop the ego crap
>> here people and lets try and really dig into some forward thinking
>> and make
>> some real change!
>
> Go ahead then Chris, stop posting, go to the top, go to NY and
> demand
> change.
>
> CHRIS: that is not the way. At least not yet, and not until we
> have the
> strength of numbers and enough money to parley. The way NOW is to
> first know
> what the hell we all want, not what les only wants. But what
> everyone wants.
> And then we move from there, little baby steps. Its like
> composing, you
> don't just slap out a symphony of 2 hours length by getting
> pissed and
> breaking your pencil. We started to find out what people are
> looking for
> before this thread was blown apart into another place for les to
> drop bombs
> on that make no sense only show emotion.
>
> - Chris
>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com
>> [mailto:fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com] On Behalf Of
>> flight007 at aol.com
>> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 11:58 AM
>> To: fmpro at nxport.com
>> Subject: Re: [Fmpro] FMPRO Digest, Vol 29, Issue 15
>>
>> Dear Chris,
>>
>> Your posting, copied below, is one of the most ill-informed,
>> insulting and
>> ignorant I have had the displeasure to read.? You have no idea to
>> what
>> lengths Les had gone to in an unselfish effort to benefit the lot of
>> composers.? He has given time, money and effort to what he believes
>> is a
>> just cause.? I don't know?what your reference to erasers and
>> symphonies is
>> trying to imply but to say Les is throwing a cog in a wheel is
>> inexcusable.?
>> If you do a quarter?of what Les has done you may just be able to
>> hold your
>> head up high.
>>
>> Vic F
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 14:25:23 -0400
>> From: "Chris Alpiar" <chris at alpiar.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Fmpro] California Dreamin
>> To: <fmpro at nxport.com>
>> Message-ID: <000401c7f7c5$c7d21380$6501a8c0 at workhorse>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;?? charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> I think we are all trying to lead the charge a little bit. Every
>> person that
>> is posting positive ideas. We don't have a piece of paper or an
>> eraser but
>> you want a symphony in 5 minutes? No you don't even want the
>> symphony, you
>> just want to throw a cog in the wheel so that any possible chance for
>> someone else to have success will be destroyed and you can say SEE
>> I TOLD YA
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com
>> [mailto:fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com] On Behalf Of
>> leshurdle
>> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 2:07 PM
>> To: fmpro at nxport.com
>> Subject: Re: [Fmpro] California Dreamin
>>
>> Then Tracey...... lead the charge..........? how will you start?
>>
>>
>> L
>>
>>
>>
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