[Fmpro] Poop......... instead of 'turd'
Rick Blanc
pazuni at sbcglobal.net
Mon Sep 17 00:42:20 GMT 2007
I thought so but I wanted to be sure! :-)
Fundamentally the impulse to improve things is
a positive thing. However, the collectivist
approach is almost certainly fatally flawed.
The marketplace is brutally individualistic,
and will increasingly require entrepreneurial
solutions. What those might be I'm not smart
enough to know.
Guys like you Les, who have been around, can
provide valuable insights that should be
carefully considered. A vision for the future
is going to have to be based on new and
innovative approaches if one hopes to capture
the imagination and loyalty of other
practitioners, particularly transnationally.
2 cents more,
Rick
----- Original Message -----
From: leshurdle
To: Rick Blanc
Cc: fmpro at nxport.com
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: Poop......... instead of 'turd'
Hence the tone of my reply ;-)
There is a way to get things done/changed.......... be an A list guy and then do something.
The A lis composers [allegedly] only get $0.20 for their scores the same as anyone else......... so why aren't they kicking up when a song used as per thewir score is paid $1.00
L
On Sep 16, 2007, at 5:04 PM, Rick Blanc wrote:
Les,
Uh-oh. Big misunderstanding! I assure you I was most certainly NOT calling you anything. The point I was trying to make was that Chris (Alpiar) by beating this thing to death, was engaged in an activity analogous to polishing a turd: a futile ridiculous exercise. Sorry Les, I'll try to be more precise in the future.
Rick
----- Original Message -----
From: leshurdle
To: Rick Blanc ; fmpro at nxport.com
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 4:07 PM
Subject: Poop......... instead of 'turd'
Hi Rick
I've been called many things, but never a turd ;-)
Or maybe there is some connotation in your text which, as a new
American, escapes me ;-(
Here's something for Chris........... during the time of the AACO I
was asked by the CEO of PRS to go and work for them as their US
Rep**. [since I had stirred the pot in the USA]............ oh boy,
could I have used the salary [since I was headed for a BK] which was
by no means small, but that would have meant being a mercenary and
giving up the fight.
I decided to stick it out with my 'fellows'............ they sure
paid me back !
L
** I'm sure those PRO staffers who read this list will be pleased to
know I didn't take the job since I would have made life hell for many.
On Sep 16, 2007, at 10:38 AM, Rick Blanc wrote:
> Chris,
>
> Have you ever tried to polish a turd?
>
> RB
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Chris Alpiar
> To: fmpro at nxport.com
> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 10:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fmpro] Mr Alpair
>
>
> Oops thought that was private to les :) well its ok I didn't say
> to him
> personally what I wouldn't want to say in list. What I am truly
> amazed at is
> how negative you are Les and how you don't want to find change
> anymore. Fron
> how you post to ideas of change it almost feels like you are on
> the payroll
> now... scary thought. You aren't taking money from ASCAP or RIAA
> or someone
> to derail movement forward right?
>
>> Well as far as THIS thread is concerned he has no desire for change
>> and has
>> contributed zero to this particular thought.
>
> When you come up with an original thought and a plan, you bet
> I'll be
> desirous to see it through.
>
> CHRIS: The plan MUST come from everyone, that is what the
> freaking thread
> was about, to try and start a plan
>
>> The only thing he has done is
>> to derail the positive suggestions we were FINALLY getting to after
>> a week
>> of debate.
>
> Just telling like it really is... without dreaming.......
>
> CHRIS: dreaming is the way to creating. It's the first steps on a
> long path.
> You obviously aren't dreaming enough, or your dreams are naught but
> nightmares.
>
>> I have deep respect for Les and I don't doubt he has tried to
>> help in his own way a number of times over the years. But as far as
>> this
>> thread, this idea, well read unbiased and you should be able to see
>> there is
>> nothing other then his desire to tear apart any movement forward we
>> were
>> making here.
>
> B/S... just trying to stop you from wasting your time on true tried
> and tested failures.
>
> CHRIS: Wasting my time??????? Bull, you just want to have
> everyone fail so
> you can go TOLD YA! Your psychology is obvious and rather
> shallow. MAN I am
> so sorry you have been hurt. And I am even sorrier you have been
> shut down
> and owned when you attempted to get results/change. But don't
> hate so much
> that it's killing everyone on your side as well
>
>> I was asking people to dream with me and say what they wanted
>> from an ideal situation, as one way to do the very beginnings of
>> organizing
>> thoughts and creating goals collectively. And his only response was
>> everything in the world was tried already and there is no use and
>> why don't
>> I personally buy a ticket to NY and confront these people in the
>> same manner
>> as his failed attempts.
>
> Nope, I said go to NY and talk to the top people, how you do it and
> what you would do and say is up to you.
> However, you are not prepared to step up and take control..........
> even Mr Merritt found it difficult.
>
> Why not ask 50 people on this list to go with you............ how
> many are willing....... please post.
>
> CHRIS: THAT'S NOT HOW YOU DO IT lol, this isn't hippies
> protesting the WTO.
> We need unity and an organization first with money in its
> pockets, then you
> go in strong and kick some ass.
>
>> Sorry Vic but that is not the way, we already know
>> it doesn't work, thanks to Les.
>
> Hold on.. that's an insult buddy.
>
> It didn't work because composers were to darn lazy or scared to get
> involved.
> Thank your fellows not me.
>
> CHRIS: no it didn't work because you aren't a good lobbyist. You
> have
> phenomenal energy and your anger could be SOOOOO productive to
> the cause.
> But since you won't use it in a positive manner to help us,
> please don't
> bother to post on my threads man, you are just pushing us all
> back 5 steps
>
>> I know he is your buddy for a long time, and
>> I think he is a great guy whose anger helps to bring to light lots of
>> situations.
>
> In my email to you I explain how I am not angry but amused watching
> you all go down the same path we did............ come up with
> something new.
>
> CHRIS: DON'T GIVE UP but instead try to learn from your failures
> and try
> again. If you give up it is the end. Just go lie down in a grave
> because you
> are already dead
>
>> This thread however he is out of line and has destroyed the
>> momentum that I worked so hard to get started on.
>
> Oh crap................ if I have destroyed it, then believe me,
> you
> have no chance when you get up against the big money, where is the
> backbone?
>
> CHRIS: I'm not going anyplace, nor do I fear the "big money", but
> you are
> supposed to be on our side and not against it. And I am most
> definitely not
> the one that should confront the "big money". I am in no way a
> leader with
> anything other then my words and mind and desire for our
> wellbeing. When we
> have a collective plan, which starts with collective dreams, then
> we can
> work on the collective organization and where the collective
> money comes
> from so we can collectively beat us some RIAA, ascap, doj, bill
> gates,
> whoever's butts. So how about hanging tight and being part of the
> movement
> forward again instead of throwing Molotov cocktails at those
> trying to build
> up some momentum?
>
>> Let's drop the ego crap
>> here people and lets try and really dig into some forward thinking
>> and make
>> some real change!
>
> Go ahead then Chris, stop posting, go to the top, go to NY and
> demand
> change.
>
> CHRIS: that is not the way. At least not yet, and not until we
> have the
> strength of numbers and enough money to parley. The way NOW is to
> first know
> what the hell we all want, not what les only wants. But what
> everyone wants.
> And then we move from there, little baby steps. Its like
> composing, you
> don't just slap out a symphony of 2 hours length by getting
> pissed and
> breaking your pencil. We started to find out what people are
> looking for
> before this thread was blown apart into another place for les to
> drop bombs
> on that make no sense only show emotion.
>
> - Chris
>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com
>> [mailto:fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com] On Behalf Of
>> flight007 at aol.com
>> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 11:58 AM
>> To: fmpro at nxport.com
>> Subject: Re: [Fmpro] FMPRO Digest, Vol 29, Issue 15
>>
>> Dear Chris,
>>
>> Your posting, copied below, is one of the most ill-informed,
>> insulting and
>> ignorant I have had the displeasure to read.? You have no idea to
>> what
>> lengths Les had gone to in an unselfish effort to benefit the lot of
>> composers.? He has given time, money and effort to what he believes
>> is a
>> just cause.? I don't know?what your reference to erasers and
>> symphonies is
>> trying to imply but to say Les is throwing a cog in a wheel is
>> inexcusable.?
>> If you do a quarter?of what Les has done you may just be able to
>> hold your
>> head up high.
>>
>> Vic F
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 14:25:23 -0400
>> From: "Chris Alpiar" <chris at alpiar.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Fmpro] California Dreamin
>> To: <fmpro at nxport.com>
>> Message-ID: <000401c7f7c5$c7d21380$6501a8c0 at workhorse>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;?? charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> I think we are all trying to lead the charge a little bit. Every
>> person that
>> is posting positive ideas. We don't have a piece of paper or an
>> eraser but
>> you want a symphony in 5 minutes? No you don't even want the
>> symphony, you
>> just want to throw a cog in the wheel so that any possible chance for
>> someone else to have success will be destroyed and you can say SEE
>> I TOLD YA
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com
>> [mailto:fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com] On Behalf Of
>> leshurdle
>> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 2:07 PM
>> To: fmpro at nxport.com
>> Subject: Re: [Fmpro] California Dreamin
>>
>> Then Tracey...... lead the charge..........? how will you start?
>>
>>
>> L
>>
>>
>>
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