[Fmpro] Did you... why don't you get paid

[LesHurdle]

Hi Chris et al

I think you will find PRO's only pay [retro] for 9 months.

I've just had 2 national jingles for a water company..... not a dime.

Some folk at ASCAP think it ok if jingles aren't paid since 'all of  
the money is distributed' and it would appear if a jingle isn't paid  
[even though the broadcasters pre paid for EVERY piece aired] the  
money will go to e.g. a piece of underscore and perhaps vice versa.

So one and all...... just remember..... when YOU are paid, you most  
certainly DO HAVE someone else's money........ how do you feel about  
that, what should be done about it?

Bear in mind, a SONG when used as a jingle is paid 4 X's as much !!!

Perhaps you'd all like to remember your board members endorse the  
fact you are not being paid, come the next election.

In the EU broadcasters have to provide PRO's with data for all  
airings more than 5 secs.

Why do you think this is not the case in the  
USA????????????????????   ;-)

How many more of you folks out there who have not been paid......  
c'mon, or are you still scardy cats

L

On Apr 2, 2008, at 10:09 PM, chris at alpiar.com wrote:

> well extra grrr on that pizza, I have a lot of ad music out there  
> that I never have been paid on. I wrote a bit of music for tv and  
> radio in south florida and never got anything after the upfront  
> money. Some would be before I was ASCAP tho so I guess its just  
> gone in the wind, but some was after as well. More likely my  
> ignorance that allowed me to not get paid for the airplay  
> performances. come to think of it some of the stuff got played in  
> texas and a few other state-wide licenses that I did. So local but  
> prominant over a single state. Is there any way to track down stuff  
> from say 95-03? Or maybe I can call up say Hans Zimmer and ask him  
> for a check? hehehe
>
> Christopher Kennedy Alpiar
> Cinematic Composer
> http://www.alpiar.com/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Northam [mailto:markn at gmocorp.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2008 11:12 PM
> To: fmpro at nxport.com
> Subject: Re: [Fmpro] Did you???????
>
> On 4/3/08 12:53 PM, "chris at alpiar.com" wrote: > On a similar note,  
> what happens with advertising music? I assume there are no >  
> royalties collected for them because they are paid ads and it is  
> assumed that > the ad agency (or whoever) has paid the artist(s) as  
> a work for hire? Actually royalties are COLLECTED by ASCAP and BMI  
> for every single piece of music on the air on television that is  
> not direct licensed. That's what the blanket broadcast licenses  
> cover - ALL MUSIC. This is regardless of whether the work is a work- 
> for-hire or not - the writer always gets the writers royalties  
> unless he/she has specifically signed them away to someone else.  
> Problem is, ASCAP and BMI choose not to PAY certain types of music,  
> or to make it very difficult for composers of some types of music,  
> like ad music, to be paid the money ASCAP has already collected for  
> their performances. And of course, if the money's not collected by  
> the ad music's composer, it goes back into the POT to be collected!
>   by other members, artificially inflating the checks of those  
> other members. Therein lies the heart of major issues with ASCAP  
> and BMI. And as Les says, under a blanket license, broadcasters pay  
> no more for songs than they do for score or for advertising music -  
> it's all covered with no specifics as to one type or another being  
> more "valuable" to the broadcasters. ASCAP and BMI, as has been  
> discussed on this forum at length, introduce their own "ideas"  
> about what is "valuable" and not, creating massive differences  
> (3,000%) between what is paid for a minute of original ad music  
> during a program vs. a minute of song within the television  
> program. For example, if a one-minute song within a television  
> program is paid $100, one minute of original music for advertising  
> (aka "CPA music") on that very same program is paid only $3 by  
> ASCAP, if it's paid at all, as ASCAP requires copies of the  
> composer contract, confidential media buy sheets, and other  
> information about advertising m!
>  usic that is not requested of music within programs (score and  
> songs).
>  More in the archives... Best, Mark Northam  
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