[Fmpro] CPA (was Did you???????)

[David Tkaczuk]

James :

You have been a wealth of information and I thank-you
very, very much.

I checked with our PRO in Canada, SOCAN, they do not
collect PR's on any spots. Grrr....!!!
Not only that, but, they do not allow a member to be
simultaneously a member of another PRO such as ASCAP/BMI.

Dave T.
D&D Music



James Ryan wrote:

> This is not my experience.  If you file the media invoices for
> national commercials, you should get paid.  National spots are not
> surveyed.  They are on census as in every single play paid for by the
> advertiser and invoiced on the media sheets gets a royalty.  This is
> the way it's supposed to be, and in my experience has been for years.
> The sample survey where you can get overlooked applies only to cable
> and local ads.  I'm not sure about radio.  Anyone?
>
> Here's the checklist I use to avoid problems:
>
> 1) When making your deal with the ad agency, stipulate as part of the
> deal that they send you (redacted if they like) copies of the media
> buy invoices for filing with ASCAP.  This is a must for national spots
> and cable, but not necessary for local spots.
> 2) Make copies, save the originals and send the copies.
> 3) Check and double check that you have filled out all registration
> materials properly, and keep copies.  They may forget to tell you if
> you made a mistake on the registration, and your registration could
> find its way into the circular file.  I don't condone this.  It's an
> unfortunate situation, but has been a very real one in my experience.
> I cannot emphasize enough the backup copies.  ASCAP has lost a few of
> my registrations in the past, and the copies saved my butt.
> 4) Send all materials by registered courier, e.g. FedEx, UPS,
> Registered Mail Return Receipt.  You will want proof of delivery with
> a signature, if your materials are lost.
> 5) Follow up, follow up, follow up.  Don't be shy, the squeaky wheel
> gets the grease.  Don't wait until you get an empty royalty
> statement.  Call and make sure your registration went through and is
> being processed properly.  In the case of local and cable, if you know
> when and where your spots aired, you can even ask for the survey
> details for that period in that part of the country so you'll know if
> you should be paid.  This will also serve as evidence if you can prove
> you were included in the survey and somehow, weren't paid.
>
> Les - did you do all of the above for your two national water company
> jingles and still not get paid?
>
> Best,
> James
>
> On Apr 3, 2008, at 11:04 AM, LesHurdle wrote:
>
> >
> > On Apr 3, 2008, at 7:54 AM, James Ryan wrote:
> >
> >> OK, in a nutshell.  Most major ad agencies are now registered with
> >> ASCAP.  That is because ASCAP does track commercials if you file your
> >> paperwork the way they like it.  I can't speak for BMI as I'm not a
> >> member, but in the past they did not pay on commercials.  SESAC may
> >> be
> >> doing it now, you'll have to check.
> >
> > This was my entire point about 'variations' on ACE.
> >
> > Registrations, but no $$$'s.
> >
> > Why on earth should the composer have to find the media buy data?;
> >
> > 1     Most Ad agencies etc will not provide it
> > 2     Errrr, isn't someone at ASCAP scratching their butt in the jingle
> > dept.
> > 3     You will still only be paid IF your music turns up in their
> > survey... correct?
> >
> > Fact is.......... in the USA, no one wants to pay Ad's 100% of the
> > airtime [even at 3% of a Feature Perf.].......... anyone.. why????????
> >
> > How does one provide a US PRO with announcement and and promo data?
> >
> > L
> >
> >
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