[Fmpro] CPA (was Did you???????)

[James Ryan]

Hi Dave,
You're very welcome.  Yes, SOCAN is pretty strict that way, but then  
so are the US PROs.  As a writer, you can only join one PRO in the USA.

Best,
James

On Apr 3, 2008, at 12:05 PM, David Tkaczuk wrote:

> James :
>
> You have been a wealth of information and I thank-you
> very, very much.
>
> I checked with our PRO in Canada, SOCAN, they do not
> collect PR's on any spots. Grrr....!!!
> Not only that, but, they do not allow a member to be
> simultaneously a member of another PRO such as ASCAP/BMI.
>
> Dave T.
> D&D Music
>
>
>
> James Ryan wrote:
>
>> This is not my experience.  If you file the media invoices for
>> national commercials, you should get paid.  National spots are not
>> surveyed.  They are on census as in every single play paid for by the
>> advertiser and invoiced on the media sheets gets a royalty.  This is
>> the way it's supposed to be, and in my experience has been for years.
>> The sample survey where you can get overlooked applies only to cable
>> and local ads.  I'm not sure about radio.  Anyone?
>>
>> Here's the checklist I use to avoid problems:
>>
>> 1) When making your deal with the ad agency, stipulate as part of the
>> deal that they send you (redacted if they like) copies of the media
>> buy invoices for filing with ASCAP.  This is a must for national  
>> spots
>> and cable, but not necessary for local spots.
>> 2) Make copies, save the originals and send the copies.
>> 3) Check and double check that you have filled out all registration
>> materials properly, and keep copies.  They may forget to tell you if
>> you made a mistake on the registration, and your registration could
>> find its way into the circular file.  I don't condone this.  It's an
>> unfortunate situation, but has been a very real one in my experience.
>> I cannot emphasize enough the backup copies.  ASCAP has lost a few of
>> my registrations in the past, and the copies saved my butt.
>> 4) Send all materials by registered courier, e.g. FedEx, UPS,
>> Registered Mail Return Receipt.  You will want proof of delivery with
>> a signature, if your materials are lost.
>> 5) Follow up, follow up, follow up.  Don't be shy, the squeaky wheel
>> gets the grease.  Don't wait until you get an empty royalty
>> statement.  Call and make sure your registration went through and is
>> being processed properly.  In the case of local and cable, if you  
>> know
>> when and where your spots aired, you can even ask for the survey
>> details for that period in that part of the country so you'll know if
>> you should be paid.  This will also serve as evidence if you can  
>> prove
>> you were included in the survey and somehow, weren't paid.
>>
>> Les - did you do all of the above for your two national water company
>> jingles and still not get paid?
>>
>> Best,
>> James
>>
>> On Apr 3, 2008, at 11:04 AM, LesHurdle wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 3, 2008, at 7:54 AM, James Ryan wrote:
>>>
>>>> OK, in a nutshell.  Most major ad agencies are now registered with
>>>> ASCAP.  That is because ASCAP does track commercials if you file  
>>>> your
>>>> paperwork the way they like it.  I can't speak for BMI as I'm not a
>>>> member, but in the past they did not pay on commercials.  SESAC may
>>>> be
>>>> doing it now, you'll have to check.
>>>
>>> This was my entire point about 'variations' on ACE.
>>>
>>> Registrations, but no $$$'s.
>>>
>>> Why on earth should the composer have to find the media buy data?;
>>>
>>> 1     Most Ad agencies etc will not provide it
>>> 2     Errrr, isn't someone at ASCAP scratching their butt in the  
>>> jingle
>>> dept.
>>> 3     You will still only be paid IF your music turns up in their
>>> survey... correct?
>>>
>>> Fact is.......... in the USA, no one wants to pay Ad's 100% of the
>>> airtime [even at 3% of a Feature Perf.].......... anyone..  
>>> why????????
>>>
>>> How does one provide a US PRO with announcement and and promo data?
>>>
>>> L
>>>
>>>
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