[Fmpro] Score v Song et. al.

Thu Jan 3 19:41:55 GMT 2008

I apologize! Well let's sharpen these here teeth and at least we can go down
chomping on some RIAA execs :D

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From: fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com
[mailto:fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com] On Behalf Of Fernando
Rivas
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 1:37 PM
To: fmpro at nxport.com
Subject: Re: [Fmpro] Score v Song et. al.

You didn't read my first sentence. I'm on your side. I didn't say give up. I
just thought I’d state the magnitude and ubiquity of the problem.  As to
splitting the atom - even a cursory study of the history of that endeavor
will reveal that those involved in it knew it would be used first and
foremost as a weapon and not an energy source.  The biggest technological
advances in human history have often been the result of war.  Greed, vanity,
guilt and condescension are vital parts of the human package.

While I state that intelligence may be a negative evolutionary trend that
doesn't mean I reject it for myself as valuable -  Who says that everything
that evolves is necessarily good?  Progress doesn't always lead to better
things.  Look at the dinosaurs. They were nature's best endeavor at the
time. In their case it wasn't intelligence but size that created a problem.
When their environment changed and it could no longer support them their
lumbering mass became nothing more than a hindrance.

Like you I’m proud to be a dinosaur  but I also know that extinction is
coming up the road.

On 1/3/08 11:27 AM, "Chris Alpiar" <chris at alpiar.com> wrote:

> Yes Fernando, but your statement is as ridiculous as walking into a vegan
> convention and talking about the condiments you like on your hamburger.
> 
> "After all intelligence and sophistication provided us
> with nuclear weapons and toxic waste"
> 
> Well actually intelligence provided us with an amazing concept of creating
> energy, by splitting an atom. Greed and selfishness along with guilt, fear
> and condescending vanity provided us with the weapon, as well as the
> implementation of that energy without a better way to deal with the waste
it
> creates
> 
> So what do I take from this? Just forget about it? Don’t bother to fight
for
> it? Go to sleep more and when we wake up there will no longer be anyone
who
> bothers to write for orchestra or anything other than the mediocre
dogmatic
> media-driven tools that are left to write with pre-built loops or ones
that
> reject your song without lyrics or more then 3 chords?
> 
> Bah. I have a brain and a soul. My life goal is to create art that comes
> from both of those parts of me and to be successful with it financially,
at
> least enough to have a good life and be celebrated for spending the time
and
> energy to be as excellent as I can be. I hope that I can also be as fluent
> as Steven Hawking and to take the very complex and make it accessible to
the
> masses, but without sacrificing the point of the book (composition). Be a
> scientist and evolutionary and explorer with us, not a used car salesman
> 
> Hugs
> 
> Chris
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com
> [mailto:fmpro-bounces+chris=alpiar.com at nxport.com] On Behalf Of Fernando
> Rivas
> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 8:46 AM
> To: fmpro at nxport.com
> Subject: Re: [Fmpro] Score v Song et. al.
> 
> I agree with everyone on this list when it comes to the inequity of song
> versus score and the resulting royalties. But let's get real. Music is not
> the only arena where there is such inequity. Firemen, policemen and
teachers
> routinely make shit money compared to talk show hosts or second rate soap
> opera actors or even local news anchors.  People who happen to invent or
> develop some silly product that becomes a fad and millions of people buy
> makes a lot more bank than some astrophysicist or some biochemical
> researcher working on cures for cancer.  Need I mention the extravagant
> salaries paid to rock stars, athletes and a host of other people whose
> talents and work are certainly not comparable to those of university
> professors, concert pianists or brain surgeons?  A free market system
boils
> everything down to the simplest components, i.e. What the majority of
people
> want and purchase  not what is good for them as individuals or as a
species
>  and certainly not what engages their intellects.  Stop and think (if you
> stil can!). Maybe intelligence and sophistication are actually negative
> adaptive developments in the evolutionary chain of events, a blind alley
if
> you will.  Maybe stupidity is a better adaptive mechanism to survival for
> the human species.  After all intelligence and sophistication provided us
> with nuclear weapons and toxic waste. Stupidity provides successful
> entrepreneurship and financial security. Over 60 percent of Americans
> believe that the world was created just as the Bible says it was.  If I
was
> selling something those are the customers I¹d be going for  not the ones
> who spent thousands of hours of dedicated study and conceptualizing on the
> elegance and detail of evolutionary theory.
> 
> 
> On 1/2/08 9:28 PM, "Jim Chase" <jchase at billyhalemusic.com> wrote:
> 
>> Les Hurdle wrote:
>> "Who doesn't want their score music to be paid [@] $1* same as a song
>> when used as score?"
>> ====
>> 
>>      Although I'm tempted to respond to Mr. Alpair's idea with a
>> hearty, "Yah! What HE say!"  I don't think 5:1 score vs. song is
>> gonna happen... at least not in Ms. Bergman's lifetime.
>> 
>>      From my meager experience with both song and score, I would
>> agree that the Craft of scoring music requires much skill.  Composing
>> 101 is a delicate balance between enhancing the emotional dynamics of
>> the visual, without drawing attention away from it.  OTOH, Performing
>> music, especially vocals, also requires a high degree of skill.
>> Especially if one does it well enough to attract national attention.
>> 
>>      Some lyricists make lousy composers, and some composers could
>> not write a meaningful lyrical verse -- even at gunpoint -- let alone
>> sing one.  There are a gifted few who can do both -- Music AND Lyric
>> -- successfully.  No need to cite examples here.  All of us are
>> working with equal diligence, and professionalism.
>> 
>>      I would be willing to split the difference, and fight for 1:1.
>> That sounds fair to me.
>> 
>> Jim Chase
>> 
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