[Fmpro] Using a foreign PRO for foreign Royalty Collections

[LesHurdle]

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> Subject: Re: [Fmpro] Using a foreign PRO for foreign Royalty  
> Collections
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> The digest folks will get mad at me, but I have learned...........  
> the odd line does not tell the entire story.
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> See below........
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> On Jul 2, 2008, at 10:49 AM, Josh Silver wrote:
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>> Thanks Les, that was very informative.
>> So I mostly have product in Canada and the U.S., but I always see
>> broadcasts showing up on my statements from Europe, Japan, Australia,
>> Hong Kong, Norway etc.
>> You said in your email that PROs receive, they do not collect outside
>> their own domestic path, this makes me wonder how the foreign
>> royalties are making it to SOCAN now?
>
> My point is this.........  the local PRO collects the money from  
> the broadcaster....... the overseas PRO can only  
> receive........WHATEVER the domestic/local PRO sends them.
>
> Use SOCAN as an example.
> No money for advertising........ correct?
>
> Presume a UK composer has a jingle running in Canada.... no  
> pay...... given the UK composer goes to PRS to 'collect' the  
> Canadian money.... there is none........  might you think PRS would  
> hold back from any disbursement to SOCAN???????
>
>> Are they just being sent to
>> SOCAN from these foreign PROs?  If this is the case, then I can see
>> how it makes sense to go directly to the foreign PROs rather than go
>> through SOCAN if they are taking some kind of Administrative fee for
>> receiving my foreign royalties.  What I'm not clear on is where
>> exactly does the inaccuracies occur in my current situation as  
>> opposed
>> to if I joined these foreign PROs?
>
> Just think it through.
>>
>> It seems that whether I join these foreign PROs or not, they will
>> collect for me for foreign broadcasts.
>
> How would you know?
>
>> I'm understanding that the
>> main difference that would occur if I joined these foreign PROs would
>> be that the royalties would be sent directly to me rather than to
>> SOCAN, and then to me.  Am I on the right track with this?
>
> Yes
>
>> If I was a
>> member of these foreign PROs would the foreign PROs be doing anything
>> differently or would the only difference lie in the fact that SOCAN
>> would be out of the picture for those collections?
>
> They might look out for your interests better if you were a  
> member....... especially re 'lost' cue sheets.
>
> More to the point, instead of having some minion at your local PRO  
> contact the overseas PRO and go through a dog & pony show.... you  
> can get to them direct.
>>
>> If this is the case then since at least half of my broadcasts are
>> currently in the U.S., then I should probably join directly with BMI
>> or ASCAP rather than what I'm doing now which is going through SOCAN
>> and selecting BMI as my U.S. collector for the territory of the U.S.
>> but through SOCAN.
>
> Correct...... how about SESAC?
>>
>> How does this work for publishers?  Can I collect publishing  
>> royalties
>> as well through these foreign PROs?
>
> You can, but why?
>
> EMI Canada doesn't send money earned e.g. in the UK via PRS/ 
> SOCAN..............>>>>>IF<<<<<<<  the money is repatriated at all  
> it will be DIRECT via the sub publishing network........... keep an  
> eye on CELAS as the world grows closer to all digital  
> [[[[downloaded]]]] broadcasts.
>>
>> I've heard that one can select a single PRO for all of Europe, but it
>> sounds like you are suggesting that I join multiple to collect for
>> markets based on language.  So for example SGAE collects for ALL
>> Spanish speaking markets including Latin America?
>>
>> Wow, this is some pretty deep stuff....  No it  
>> isn't..................... it is just a matter of doing what the  
>> 'big boys do'.........
>>
>> Thanks again Les!
>
> You're welcome.......... please don't let on that I might be a nice  
> guy ;-)
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