[Fmpro] Opera

Tue Mar 4 23:30:32 GMT 2008

Sorry Ted, it seems I stepped on your toes with my big muddy boots. I have 
no interest in any of the games involving men running around with various 
sorts of inflated or stuffed projectiles, and therefore I should refrain 
from calling upon their name as metaphor. But now I know - baseball is rife 
with transgressions and blackhearts! - JohnB

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ted Peterson" <ted.peterson at tcsn.net>
To: <fmpro at nxport.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 2:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Fmpro] Opera

> Baseball fair? What fantasy land do you inhabit? Baseball is kill or
> be killed. It's win or lose. It's pitchers who throw at batter's
> heads and other body parts. It's intimidation and threats of ass
> beatings. There's lots of fighting both on the field and off.
> Managers are greedy bastards and players are in it for themselves.
> It's brutal. Compared to baseball, anything with music is a walk in
> the park and I know both worlds. There are plenty of stories about
> conductor's and orchestras but it's rare where it leads to a fight.
> In the baseball world, fights are common. When I played, if I had a
> bad outing as a pitcher, I had to fight someone and I was just a kid
> playing with guys ten years older than me. Some of the players were
> illiterate and mean. This meanness translated into the bigs and guys
> like Zimmer and Belinski would fight at the drop of a hat. There were
> others too. In baseball you try to take out a player with a spike or
> collision. It's a tough game and fairness is the complaint of the
> loser. But the music business isn't fair also. It's base on style and
> the public whim. There's nothing fair about that. Popularity is
> fleeting except for the few. It's hard to get recognized but harder
> to stay current. It's much easier to be a cubicle dweller for some
> company. That's fairness.
>
> Ted Peterson
>
> On Mar 1, 2008, at 4:53 PM, <bipcress at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Louis, I think you're seriously overreacting to Marinho's story,
>> which I
>> understood to be about not letting the orchestra get ahead of you,
>> especially if you happen to be young and still without cache. To
>> put things
>> in perspective I heard a wonderful anecdotal story of Bernard Herrmann
>> throwing his shoe at a player and nailing him in the head with it.
>> Compared
>> to this I would say Marinho is a saint. / All this reminds me of an
>> incident
>> when I was in grad school studying painting at the Yale School of
>> Fine Art.
>> We had a few hot-shit instructors floating around, including Julian
>> Schnabel
>> and Mel Bochner. One day I was walking past a female student's
>> studio and I
>> heard her crying. I stopped, and observed the door to her studio
>> open and
>> Bochner preparing to exit. Half way out the door he turned and said
>> "Oh
>> stop, you don't have to cry about it." Then he seemed to peer
>> intently back
>> into her studio, looking around, and then he added "On second
>> thought, go
>> ahead and cry. If I made those paintings I'd be crying too." When I
>> teach I
>> always inform my students that art is not fair. Fair is for
>> baseball and
>> children sharing a sandbox, but the arts are brutal in that the
>> only thing
>> that matters is quality. A work of art, or a performance of a work, is
>> either fine or inferior. Marinho being firm that a musician's
>> performance is
>> lacking is professionally essential. - JohnB
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Louis King" <lking1 at nyc.rr.com>
>> To: <fmpro at nxport.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 3:50 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Fmpro] Opera
>>
>>
>>> WOW LOL ...... so you felt the best way you could lead an orchestra
>>> was to embarrass someone ...
>>>
>>> I've conducted maybe 1500 or more  recording sessions with 60 piece
>>> groups to big bands to quartets and I don't think I've ever had the
>>> need to create a great performance by demeaning anyone in the group.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 1, 2008, at 3:29 PM, Marinho Nobre wrote:
>>>
>>>> if I record in NYC sometime will you come conduct for me Marinho?
>>>> It will be my pleasure... In NYC or anywhere else. Have batoon,
>>>> will travel...
>>>>
>>>> Musicians are what make conducting a tricky thing. On my very few
>>>> first
>>>> ventures, I had to deal with all sorts of cracks from wise ass
>>>> Juilliard
>>>> students. One thing I have learned that overcomes all problems is
>>>> called
>>>> respect.  Once I started cracking back at them and made them
>>>> understand
>>>> that they had to work hard and take me seriously or else, evrything
>>>> started sounding
>>>> a lot better. At some point I was banned from conducting on
>>>> composition classes
>>>> after I made a French Horn girl walk out of the class in tears. She
>>>> made the same mistake
>>>> 3 times. I interrupted the class and asked her. What's your name
>>>> dear ? She told me her
>>>> name and asked me why I wanted to know. I then mentioned that I
>>>> wanted to make
>>>> sure that I would never ever ever hire her for any of my work. I
>>>> was suspended for 3 weeks,
>>>> enough time for the word to go around, and next time I showed up it
>>>> was a breeze man.
>>>> I never had to say a word. They all read my eyes and gave their
>>>> very best.
>>>> I will be going to Prague later this year, lets see how they do...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Marinho Nobre
>>>> Music for Motion Picture
>>>> score at marinhonobre.com
>>>> Voice 347-424-4985  Fax - (718) 210-3151
>>>> http://www.marinhonobre.com
>>>> http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1971862/
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